Author Topic: A challenge to fly ? (Read 1705 times)

Hawco · « **on:** May 11, 2006, 09:32:47 AM »

Hi guys
Looking for a second ride after the spit 9 to tool around in, Trying to find something that is a challenge to fly initially but after you stick it out, it becomes a real sweet ride, Was looking at the 40B but it's just a bit slow for me really. I don't care if it's Russian, German etc, just something to make me work and have some fun in other than a spit 9 lol.
Cheers
Hawco

Angus · « **Reply #1 on:** May 11, 2006, 09:44:14 AM »

The 109F
The C.202
The F4U-1
Yak-9
...and more

Urchin · « **Reply #2 on:** May 11, 2006, 09:54:57 AM »

La-7... Spit 16.. Niki.

Maybe the Tiffie or the Runstang.

Actually... the only plane that I think meets the "tough at first, but great once you figure out what is going on" is the Ki-84.

Pooface · « **Reply #3 on:** May 11, 2006, 10:01:34 AM »

ki84 is nice, but falls apart a lot lol.

if you're looking for a plane that is a real challenge, and requires skill to fly right, but is also a fantastic plane, try a 109. all the models are fairly similar, they all take practise, but you have an entire planset to play with, from a nice turner, the e and f to the downright crotchrocket k4.

great planes, take skill and patience to fly properly, but great fun, and brutal killing machines:aok

Hazard69 · « **Reply #4 on:** May 11, 2006, 10:05:10 AM »

P38 series......you can start out with the 38L and then gradually progress (or is regress???

) to the 38G. Its all good fun and very capable all around. Also it gives you a good way to transition from the world of turn and burn and into the universe of E fighting relatively easily.

Its relatively fast (not like a LA7 though).
It can turn (but not like a hurricane).
It got massive firepower (not like a Tempest though).

Only down side: ITS A MASSIVE BULLET MAGNET.

Every con that sees you WILL fire, and usually hit you somewhere.....also its quite difficult to sneak up on someone with 50ft wingspan.

Whisky58 · « **Reply #5 on:** May 11, 2006, 10:09:52 AM »

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Actually... the only plane that I think meets the "tough at first, but great once you figure out what is going on" is the Ki-84.

I would include FW 190a5 in that definition. Don't see many about and has high eny probably because people don't have patience to figure out what is going on. Has loads of virtues but a real challenge in a turn fight. Along with Yak is most underestimated plane in game.

Give it a try.

Hap · « **Reply #6 on:** May 11, 2006, 10:13:27 AM »

109f

yak 9u

jug-11

all of them fun.

~~hap~~

Sikboy · « **Reply #7 on:** May 11, 2006, 10:34:37 AM »

Pooface is spot on with the 109 I think.

I liked the Yak9 myself. You have the 9U for E-Z mode, and the 9T as you figure it out.

But with all of the models and gun packages, you can spend months flying 109s and never have the same ride twice.

-Sik

Hawco · « **Reply #8 on:** May 11, 2006, 10:41:54 AM »

Think I'm gonna go down the 109 road guys, After all,I fly against them all the time in the AvA so might as well get to know them lol.
You guys can expect a few easy 109 kills for a while till I get the hang of them !.... "Fresh meat for the Barbie " lol
Thanks for all the contributions folks

Urchin · « **Reply #9 on:** May 11, 2006, 11:34:20 AM »

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Actually... the only plane that I think meets the "tough at first, but great once you figure out what is going on" is the Ki-84.

I would include FW 190a5 in that definition. Don't see many about and has high eny probably because people don't have patience to figure out what is going on. Has loads of virtues but a real challenge in a turn fight. Along with Yak is most underestimated plane in game.

Give it a try. [/B]

I wouldn't. The 190A5 (actually... any of the 190s) simply isn't competitive for the MA. The D9 comes the closest, by virtue of its being the 2nd fastest free plane on the deck.. but even then it isn't competitive as a fighter. In particular, the A5 lacks just about everything.. firepower, acceleration, turning ability. It may be slightly more manueverable than the other 190s, but that is like saying it is slightly more manueverable than a brick dropped from the roof of a building.. it doesn't mean a whole lot.

If one were to put them in terms of other planes.. the D-9 is rather like a nuetered La-7, the A-8 is like a nuetered Spit 16, and the A-5 is like a nuetered Spit 16 with half the firepower.

Saxman · « **Reply #10 on:** May 11, 2006, 12:40:29 PM »

190s can roll like mad, tho.

Urchin · « **Reply #11 on:** May 11, 2006, 12:53:32 PM »

No faster than the Spit 16, and you give up Hizookas, acceleration, climb rate, and turning ability for the "ability" to floppy-fish when someone gets behind you. Even that is only useful when there are plenty of friendlies around to shoot the guy behind you while you wobble all over the sky.

Whisky58 · « **Reply #12 on:** May 11, 2006, 04:08:01 PM »

To say the 190a5 is not competitive in the MA is not supported by facts or my experience Urchin. Last month in a moment of boredom I checked out the K/D+1 ratios of all the fighters for tours 72, 73 & 74. Ki84 averages 1.45 and guess what? that's exactly what the 190a5 scores. Ok you can argue the toss whether the K/D ratio is an objective measure of competitiveness but it's the best we've got.

Hawco said he wanted a challenge, & you compare 190s to La7 & Spit16. The latter are fun, but a challenge? c'mon.

"Floppy fish" - that's what the stick-jerkers do. 190s excel at scissors & barrel rolls which can be great defensive moves.

Each to their own. I don't like the Ki84 cos it compresses easily - but I would never be daft enough to describe it as not competitive just because it doesn't suit me.

Regards

Glasses · « **Reply #13 on:** May 11, 2006, 04:11:12 PM »

Well that aludes more to the quality of who's using it rather than the quantity of who actually flies it.

Urchin · « **Reply #14 on:** May 11, 2006, 05:05:21 PM »

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To say the 190a5 is not competitive in the MA is not supported by facts or my experience Urchin. Last month in a moment of boredom I checked out the K/D+1 ratios of all the fighters for tours 72, 73 & 74. Ki84 averages 1.45 and guess what? that's exactly what the 190a5 scores. Ok you can argue the toss whether the K/D ratio is an objective measure of competitiveness but it's the best we've got.

Hawco said he wanted a challenge, & you compare 190s to La7 & Spit16. The latter are fun, but a challenge? c'mon.

"Floppy fish" - that's what the stick-jerkers do. 190s excel at scissors & barrel rolls which can be great defensive moves.

Each to their own. I don't like the Ki84 cos it compresses easily - but I would never be daft enough to describe it as not competitive just because it doesn't suit me.

Regards

The Ki-84 is competitive because it can out-fight the pre-eminant turn fighter in the MA (along with the 2nd most). The 190a5 cannot. Nor can the A5 outrun (or outfight) the most used "fast" fighter.. the La7.

You've basically got a population of planes that are either fast or turny. The top 2 or 3 from the fast and turny categories are the competitive ones. Then you have tier 2 and tier 3, etc.

At least that is how I see it, your opinion is your own, and I'll not be the one to tell you you aren't entitled to it.