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« Reply #240 on: May 21, 2006, 04:24:13 PM »
Atheist finds faith. Continues online crusade against Christianity. News at .... ok ... not really news. :D

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« Reply #241 on: May 21, 2006, 04:26:02 PM »
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« Reply #242 on: May 21, 2006, 04:30:20 PM »
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I suppose, then, that you must simply have faith.

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Until it is proven scientificaly , you will just have to have faith that I do. :)
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« Reply #243 on: May 21, 2006, 05:00:38 PM »
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« Reply #244 on: May 21, 2006, 05:18:58 PM »
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chair....I think that you take particular delight in anything that mocks religion and belief in god.  That is fine but you act like you are disinterested and fair when you are in reality....

more concerned about religion than a lot of religious folks... you seem to think about it a lot.  Have you even bothered to ask yourself why?   maybe in a few years..

get comfortable with yours and others beliefs.   You seem to be on a personal crusade to hurt people of faith.

you should realize that you make them angry and stubborn but that is about it.   You may even get ridiculed like you have been in this thread for your unreasonable faith based way of thinking.

People might dismiss other things you have to say because of your prejudice here.   To some of us... that is no big deal but... arguing belief or not in a supreme being seems a pretty dumb way to marginalize yourself.

It doesn't look any better on the rabid athiest than it does on the rabid christian or muslim.

lazs


Watched this stuff for awhile.  Wasn't gonna post this time BUT.......... this is getting old.

LOLROF IMHO you pegged this person right on lazs!

IMHO this person is the one with the problem.

It's as if an effort is being made to get people to ....... agree?

hmmm....  why?

hmmm....  perhaps the need here is to seek outside agreement to make inner beliefs more concrete?

OR perhaps this person doesn't quite believe, have enough faith, in their own view?

OR some kinda guilt thing maybe?????

Just makes me wonder.  Over and over and over this subject gets brought forth by this person.  Gettin old.

Always SEEMS to be dealt with in the same way.  Same technique.

Seen it many times.  Had a college proffessor type that used it allot.

I have come to refer to the technique used as weasally.  Avoid answering just attack or turn it back.

Grasping for quotes from ........ LOL

Now it will come....... the >>> When did I attack?

Hey you can believe what you want.  IMHO it is one of your basic human rights.  I don't care what you believe. It don't matter to me.  None of us will know the truth until we die.

You can try to use science to prove your position if you like.  Science has shown OVER and OVER they can't prove or disprove the existance of ..........

WHY?  because over and over they prove they don't KNOW allot of things.  Science lacks the knowledge.  Science lacks ALL the facts!  Science is still learning the ?secrets? of the universe.  Can't measure something if you are unaware if it exist or not.

Wasn't till 2000 or so that science finally discovered why some refered to male  ejaculatory fluid for many years as SPUNK.  They discovered it contains a hormone that affects the human body, male or female, resulting in the growth/alteration of an organ within the brain and SEEMS to make a person feel "spunky".    They're still examining what it does to the human body.

AGAIN I don't care what you believe.  It doesn't matter.  IMHO you have every right to believe what you wish.  What I object to is the technique used!
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« Reply #245 on: May 21, 2006, 05:26:13 PM »
Howdy Wrag!  "That person" is me, right here.  It's customary in polite society to address people directly, usually, but of course you're entitled to your own opinion.

You say that since I talk about Atheism, I "don't have enough faith in (my) view".  Preachers like Seagoon talk about christianity all the time, why don't you accuse them of the same?

I've been preached to, ministered to, and evangelized to for my entire life by christians, and that's "OK".  But when an atheist asks "What the heck?" suddenly I'm the one with the problem?

Your ship does not appear to be in order.

Finally, science doesn't claim to have all the answers, but it persists in asking questions.  Religion claims to have all the answers and discourages questions.  If I have to pick between the two, I know which one I'll take.
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« Reply #246 on: May 21, 2006, 05:47:13 PM »
Generalization and stereotypes must cut both ways it seems. My faith has never discouraged me from asking questions. But then I differentiate between religion and faith. There's more than one flavor of Christian. Choosy lions choose ....

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« Reply #247 on: May 21, 2006, 05:47:31 PM »
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Anyone who can worship a trinity and insist that his religion is a monotheism can believe anything... just give him time to rationalize it.
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"..just give him time to rationalize it."[/i]

I rest my case.
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« Reply #248 on: May 21, 2006, 06:09:38 PM »
Then there is the story of the three blind men who descibe an elephant.  One says it must be a tree, one says a snake,and one says a rope.

Each only see a piece (Leg, trunk, and tail) and do their best to describe the whole.

Just because there are three different descriptions doesn't mean any of them are incorrect, or that the elephant is indeed three entities.

Any description of the trinity or any other religious concept for that matter is going to be illogical by design.

faith and logic are independant of each other.
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« Reply #249 on: May 21, 2006, 06:12:58 PM »
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Howdy Wrag!  "That person" is me, right here.  It's customary in polite society to address people directly, usually, but of course you're entitled to your own opinion.

You say that since I talk about Atheism, I "don't have enough faith in (my) view".  Preachers like Seagoon talk about christianity all the time, why don't you accuse them of the same?

I've been preached to, ministered to, and evangelized to for my entire life by christians, and that's "OK".  But when an atheist asks "What the heck?" suddenly I'm the one with the problem?

Your ship does not appear to be in order.

Finally, science doesn't claim to have all the answers, but it persists in asking questions.  Religion claims to have all the answers and discourages questions.  If I have to pick between the two, I know which one I'll take.


Howdy Chairboy.........  this is polite society?  Seems to me we are both entitled to opinions.

I did not say you were anything, I asked questions (reread my post?).

I made no claim as to your belief (reread my post?).

If I thought you were ASKING, if my opinion of your post in this thread was that you were asking questions, I would not have replied.  For I have found personal belief is just that personal.  I don't feel any need whatsoever to justify my belief nor do I have a need to attempt to explain my belief to you or anyone else.  I don't care if you agree or disagree with my belief or disbelief.

I don't believe in "religion".

Further I stated no belief either way.

I am not interested in preaching to you or anyone else.  Seagoon has been preaching to you?  I have not seen that.  I have seen questions put to Seagoon and Seagoon has replied.

Further if I want to hear preaching I have found I must seek it out.  That it rarely comes to me and when it does I can turn it off, change the channel, send them away, or leave.

To clarify.........

AGAIN! It is NOT your belief I am responding to!
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« Reply #250 on: May 21, 2006, 06:19:25 PM »
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Then there is the story of the three blind men who descibe an elephant.  One says it must be a tree, one says a snake,and one says a rope.

Each only see a piece (Leg, trunk, and tail) and do their best to describe the whole.

Just because there are three different descriptions doesn't mean any of them are incorrect, or that the elephant is indeed three entities.

Any description of the trinity or any other religious concept for that matter is going to be illogical by design.

faith and logic are independant of each other.


Then there is an old, old story about a theologian who was asked to reconcile the Doctrine of Divine Mercy with the doctrine of infant damnation. 'The Almighty,' he explained, 'finds it necessary to do things in His official and public capacity which in His private and personal capacity He deplores.

Faith and Logic are indeed seperate... unless yer profession happens to be 'theologian'.

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« Reply #251 on: May 21, 2006, 06:22:17 PM »
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"..just give him time to rationalize it."[/i]

I rest my case.


Whaterever rationalization you use to accept one belief and reject another is yours to embrace. As is whatever rationalization someone else uses is theirs. Faith is faith, man. Don't resent others if it really doesn't threaten yours. Of course, as seen here, perception is one's reality.

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« Reply #252 on: May 21, 2006, 06:42:38 PM »
While I am certain that i have no resentment, on any level, for any man of faith because of his faith.. I realize that my presence on and in this topic may be easily misconstrued to mean that I am an enemy of 'the church'. I am not. I am my own enemy, and require no other.

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« Reply #253 on: May 21, 2006, 06:56:38 PM »
Amen, brother. Aren't we all? :)

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« Reply #254 on: May 21, 2006, 07:34:26 PM »
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AGAIN! It is NOT your belief I am responding to!
Correction, that's lack of belief.  Common mistake.
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