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« on: May 12, 2006, 02:12:21 AM »
THE RECURRING FEAR OF RUSSIAN GAS DEPENDENCY


    U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney's recent criticism of Russia
for using natural gas as a political weapon is by no means new.
Similar charges leveled 24 years ago during the Cold War resulted in
an embargo on the sale of gas-extracting equipment to the Soviet
Union and to the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency's (CIA) purported
destruction of a Soviet gas pipeline.

    In 1982, as the Soviet Union was beginning construction of a
$22 billion, 4,650-kilometer gas pipeline from Urengoi in northwest
Siberia to Uzhhorod in Ukraine with the intention of supplying
Western Europe, the CIA issued a National Intelligence Estimate (NIE)
titled "The Soviet Gas Pipeline in Perspective."

    The NIE, regarded as the definitive product of the U.S.
intelligence community, reached several conclusions, among them that
the Soviet Union "calculates that the increased future dependence of
the West Europeans on Soviet gas deliveries will make them more
vulnerable to Soviet coercion and will become a permanent factor in
their decision making on East-West issues."

    In addition, according to the NIE, the Soviets "have used the
pipeline issue to create and exploit divisions between Western Europe
and the United States. In the past, the Soviets have used West
European interest in expanding East-West commerce to undercut U.S.
sanctions, and they believe successful pipeline deals will reduce
European willingness to support future U.S. economic actions against
the USSR."

    The Urengoi gas field, located in northwest Siberia's
Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug, was one of the largest Soviet gas
fields. The main customers for Urengoi gas were West Germany, France,
and Italy.

    The initial volume of the pipeline was to be 40 billion cubic
meters per year, which would mean that Soviet gas could account for
30 percent of German and French gas imports, and 40 percent of
Italy's. Such figures were approaching a dependency level too great
for the White House to accept.

    Washington apparently dealt with these concerns in a direct
manner initially. In January 1982, U.S. President Ronald Reagan
purportedly approved a CIA plan to sabotage a second, unidentified
gas pipeline in Siberia by turning the Soviet Union's desire for
Western technology against it. The operation was first disclosed in
the memoirs of Thomas C. Reed, a former Air Force secretary who was
serving in the National Security Council at the time. In "At the
Abyss: An Insider's History of the Cold War," Reed wrote:

    "In order to disrupt the Soviet gas supply, its hard-currency
earnings from the West, and the internal Russian economy, the
pipeline software that was to run the pumps, turbines, and valves was
programmed to go haywire, after a decent interval, to reset pump
speeds and valve settings to produce pressures far beyond those
acceptable to pipeline joints and welds.
    "The result was the most monumental non-nuclear explosion and
fire ever seen from space," he recalled, adding that U.S. satellites
picked up the explosion. Reed said in an interview that the blast
occurred in the summer of 1982.

    The sabotage operation, however, did not halt the
construction of the Urengoi pipeline. The CIA was forced to revise
its tactics.

    Responding to the Soviet leadership's support for the 1981
crackdown on Poland's Solidarity movement, Reagan announced a program
of sanctions on companies selling gas-drilling equipment and turbines
for gas-compressor stations to the Soviet Union while urging European
states not to buy Soviet gas.

    Officially it was declared that this was in retaliation for
Soviet support for martial law in Poland. But it is also plausible
that the strategy was meant to ease U.S. concerns about the
construction of the Urengoi-Uzhhorod gas pipeline.

    The embargo, however, was easier to declare than to
implement. Norwegian scholar Ole Gunnar Austvik wrote in an article
titled "The U.S. Embargo of Soviet Gas in 1982" that a delegation
under the auspices of the U.S. State Department sought to induce the
Western Europeans not to buy Soviet gas and to choose alternative
sources of energy.

    "The arguments in favor of such diversion were close to our
notion of economic warfare, even though the whole range of arguments
was actually used. An economically strong Soviet Union is more
dangerous than a weak one," Austvik wrote. "The U.S. compensation
package contained two main components; American coal and Norwegian
gas were presented as alternatives to Soviet gas."

    Neither alternative, however, existed. The United States did
not produce enough coal to meet Europe's needs and even if it did,
the logistics of transporting it there were overwhelming.
Furthermore, at the time Norway's gas production was not sufficient
to replace Soviet gas. By November 1982, after the United States
increased its grain sales to the USSR, the gas sanctions were
terminated.

    Originally, the Urengoi pipeline was projected to go through
East Germany, but the West German government protested and it was
rerouted through Ukraine. The West Germans were concerned that in the
event of a crisis, the East Germans could turn off the valves and
stop supplies. Ukraine was seen as the more reliable transit route.

    The 1982 NIE states that the West Europeans' prime energy
goal at the time was to "reduce their dependence on OPEC," at the
time a significant Western concern arising from the Organization of
Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) oil boycott of 1973. The oil
crisis that ensued from that boycott may have fueled U.S. concerns
regarding Soviet gas, lest the Soviet Union someday copy OPEC's
tactic.

    In November 1983, the CIA issued another NIE, titled "Soviet
Energy Prospects Into the 1990s," which, in many ways, foresaw the
current predicament.

    "If Moscow lands contracts to supply even half of the West
European gas-demand gap now foreseen for the 1990s, an additional
pipeline...would be required...and dependence on Soviet gas could
approach 50 percent of gas consumption for major West European
countries, far in excess of the 30 percent share that we and some
West European governments regard as a critical threshold for
political risk" the NIE stated.
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« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2006, 06:34:44 AM »
I find it absolutely stupid.

Poland is already whining about Baltic oil and gas pipelines that bypasses them, their Defence minister compared this contracts to "Molotov-Ribbentrop" pact... Loosers. They again chose wrong "friends". Russia and Germany don't need to depend on some lunatics who want to get rent for pipeline on their territory.

Must be some mass-idiocy infection that hits Defence ministers.

What amazed me was Rumsfeld's speech where he criticised Russia for "using it's natural resources as a political weapon" http://www.mosnews.com/news/2006/05/11/Rumsfeld.shtml

I wonder what our Foreign Ministry reaction was. They already made some comments about his mental health when he threatened to attack Russia to protect Chechen gangs hosted in Georgia. IMHO mr. Rumsfeld should better go do some excercises for sexual self-satisfation in non-traditional way.

US position is pure bolshevism. There is no way this gang of mentally-challenged cold-war relics is going to force Russia. We have the resources that other countries need, and it's up to us how, to whom and for what price we are going to sell them. Capitalism, free market - do they forget all this slogans so easy?

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« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2006, 10:02:41 AM »
<<"In order to disrupt the Soviet gas supply, its hard-currency
earnings from the West, and the internal Russian economy, the
pipeline software that was to run the pumps, turbines, and valves was
programmed to go haywire, after a decent interval, to reset pump
speeds and valve settings to produce pressures far beyond those
acceptable to pipeline joints and welds.
"The result was the most monumental non-nuclear explosion and
fire ever seen from space," he recalled, adding that U.S. satellites
picked up the explosion. Reed said in an interview that the blast
>>>

so, why didn't ivan write his own software.

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« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2006, 11:00:48 AM »
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Originally posted by john9001
<<"In order to disrupt the Soviet gas supply, its hard-currency
earnings from the West, and the internal Russian economy, the
pipeline software that was to run the pumps, turbines, and valves was
programmed to go haywire, after a decent interval, to reset pump
speeds and valve settings to produce pressures far beyond those
acceptable to pipeline joints and welds.
"The result was the most monumental non-nuclear explosion and
fire ever seen from space," he recalled, adding that U.S. satellites
picked up the explosion. Reed said in an interview that the blast
>>>

so, why didn't ivan write his own software.


They bought some hardware/software complex from Western industrial equipment manufacturer, so technically it was possible.

But both sides already said it wasn't so, they commented on Reed's book when it was published.

I just wonder how Europeans felt when their Best Friend from overseas who pretended to "protect them from communist hordes" blew up their gas supply line so they could literally freeze...

I don't understand, when Rumsfeld said about "political weapon" - what did he mean? what shoud Russia do to please him? Stop shipping gas to Europe? Or maybe build pipelines on it's own expense and give the gas for free?

As for American political risks - well, it was and still is their own problem.

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« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2006, 01:04:33 PM »
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I don't understand, when Rumsfeld said about "political weapon" - what did he mean? what shoud Russia do to please him? Stop shipping gas to Europe? Or maybe build pipelines on it's own expense and give the gas for free?


I think he feels that maybe Putin should not try and hold the Ukraine hostage by implementing rediculous price increases on Ukraine for failure to follow the political will of Russia.  

Pretty simple to me.
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« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2006, 01:11:52 PM »
I think the US, with a powerful leadership (yeah right) should take the next step and develope our own form of energy to rid ourselves of this dependancy on the oil and gas of ignorant dog religions and mafia style eastern european governments.

As long as a Bush is in office this will never happen.  I doubt any democrat would ever be so bold.  It will take a truly frightening event(s) to bring most americans to do what needs to be done.

No more Bushes, no more Clintons.  No McCains and no Kerrys.

We need real people to take charge of this fiasco.
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« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2006, 01:34:31 PM »
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I think the US, with a powerful leadership (yeah right) should take the next step and develope our own form of energy to rid ourselves of this dependancy on the oil and gas of ignorant dog religions and mafia style eastern european governments.


Hmm. The history of TOKAMAK is more then 20 years. So why USA denied their participation in the project on final leg?

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« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2006, 01:46:02 PM »
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I think he feels that maybe Putin should not try and hold the Ukraine hostage by implementing rediculous price increases on Ukraine for failure to follow the political will of Russia.  

Pretty simple to me.


Pretty simple for me too. We don't want to sponsor them. They got gas for $49, while at their Western border it was sold for $230. They bought our gas for $49, and sold it to Romania for $190. Good business, isn't it?

In UK gas price is about $500, why should we sell in to idiotic Ukrainian regime for $50? Now they buy it for $95, and it's still at our expense.

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« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2006, 01:51:32 PM »
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I think the US, with a powerful leadership (yeah right) should take the next step and develope our own form of energy to rid ourselves of this dependancy on the oil and gas of ignorant dog religions and mafia style eastern european governments.

As long as a Bush is in office this will never happen.  I doubt any democrat would ever be so bold.  It will take a truly frightening event(s) to bring most americans to do what needs to be done.

No more Bushes, no more Clintons.  No McCains and no Kerrys.

We need real people to take charge of this fiasco.


You speak as if you need your own Stalin. Or another FDR.

As Estel said - PLT Tokamak reached 90 million degrees back in late-70s, then I don't know anything about American thermonuclear research progress. Same **** here, we have $200G invested into American bonds instead of investing in technology and scientific research, waiting for the time when we'll be unable to do anything in this field. :(

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« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2006, 01:52:48 PM »
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Hmm. The history of TOKAMAK is more then 20 years. So why USA denied their participation in the project on final leg?


Well, the ITER (Internationa test experimental reactor) was downsized from a $10 billion design that wouldn't be a net producer of energy. The best available tokamak designs have 3 major problems that prevent them from producing any net energyby themselves as pure fusion systems. First, to run them in steady state system, as much energy is needed to drive the magnetic confinement as the system is likely to produce. Second, the hot plasma is so damageing to the container that the material at the place it contacts may have to be changed pretty often - which would lead to extensive downtimes. Thirs, a tokamak fusion design can only make as much tritium as it uses if a lithium blanket completely surrounds the plasma.

However the space this takes up near the centtral axis os the symmetry of the device leads toa  reduction in the maximum power production unless the device is even substantially more enormous then the ITER design. SO in practice, it is likely to be necessary to use a compact neutron reflector and shield near the central axis and give up on lithium breeding there. This means that either fission must be used in the outter sections of the breeding blanket to improve and energy tritium production, or the mission tritum must be made up in a sizable fleet of fission reactors for each fission reactor.

From a proliferation, an energy economy including controlled fusion would continually be making P238 and tritium - while a fission only economy might make P238 but not tritium if heavy water reactors are avoided.

Even if all the technical difficulties in making net electrical energy from fusion are overcome, fusion would be considerably more capital intensive then fission. THis is because fusion reactors of a given power are both much larger and complicated then fission reactors of the same power. Moreover, it is likely that uranium can be obtained from sea water in enoumous qualtities at prices that would make fission reactors still cheaper sources of electricity then fusion designs. Since fusion designs would produce larger volumns of 'low level' radioactive wastes, but fewer long lived transuranics - they probally gain at best an insignificant economic compensation in waste disposal costs only in situations where high level transuaranics is very expensive but low level if functioning smoothly. Presently, only france is in this category.

There are other approaches to Fusion, of which two are particular note. One oses complex external twistic magnetic field coils to avoid the need for internally circulating current. This approach preceeded the Tokamak historically and was name the 'stellarator'. this avoids both the thermal and mechanical stresses of continually restarting a tokamak or using large amounts of energy and complex systems to drive the internal current. However, it leads to substantially lower power dnsity - which is already the achilles heel of the tokamak design.

Repeated pure fusion micro-explosions driven by tiny deuterium-tritium spheres by banks of external lasers are being looked at for simulating some of the physics of thermonuclear weapons. however, there are no known implosion drivers (besides a fission bomb) that come anywhere close to making this an economic energy producer - even if the enormous problems associated with thermal cycling could be solved from a technical point of view.

Setting fusion aside, then the future of nuclear energy for the mid 21st century, if any will largely depend on developments in fission vs fossile fuel and energy efficiency.


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« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2006, 02:00:22 PM »
Maybe these fears have something to do with the fact that last winter the gas supply was cut during the worst colds of the winter. This kind of thing becomes a great tool for extortion and political pressure. It's no coincidence that the price raise and the consequent cutting of supply happened during the coldest time.

Putin himself said he wants russia to become an energy superpower - now all is left to see if neighboring countries are greedy enough to take the bait of cheap energy and instantly be hooked to the jerking chain of russia. Whatever happens with the supply, a national reserve is a must if and when russia plays its card.
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« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2006, 02:13:47 PM »
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Maybe these fears have something to do with the fact that last winter the gas supply was cut during the worst colds of the winter. This kind of thing becomes a great tool for extortion and political pressure. It's no coincidence that the price raise and the consequent cutting of supply happened during the coldest time.


It wasn't during worst frost. It was on Jan 1-2, when no agreement was signedwith Ukraine and their share of gas was excluded from the pipe, so for two days they (not Russia!) stole European gas.

You guys say that Ukraine, unlike Russia, is "civilised" and "democratic" country, and you have influence on them, so - what's the problem?

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Putin himself said he wants russia to become an energy superpower - now all is left to see if neighboring countries are greedy enough to take the bait of cheap energy and instantly be hooked to the jerking chain of russia. Whatever happens with the supply, a national reserve is a must if and when russia plays its card.


It's capitalism. We have the resources, they have a demand. So it goes. We can only advise to dig for gas and oil, oor learn to live without them, if you don't pay the price we want - you don't get any.

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« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2006, 02:40:55 PM »
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It's capitalism. We have the resources, they have a demand. So it goes. We can only advise to dig for gas and oil, oor learn to live without them, if you don't pay the price we want - you don't get any.


Boroda, while I understand that you are fiercly nationalistic and that is fine, keep one thing in mind.  That while it is nice to have the resource, it requires major capital to exploit said resource.  Why else would Exxon, BP, and Texaco be investing massive amounts of dollars in that arena?  That alone is going to drive a lot of decisions for future supply and demand.
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« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2006, 03:00:15 PM »
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Well, the ITER....


Too much letters for me :-) The first ITER found it's place in France. Zero level will be started in 2007.

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« Reply #14 on: May 13, 2006, 02:54:57 AM »
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We can only advise to dig for gas and oil, oor learn to live without them, if you don't pay the price we want - you don't get any.


You must be joking all your major gas companies are controlled by the government directly. They're a political leverage and far from capitalism.

The only reason governments aren't buying all of your supply and more is the fear of being dependant of russia. For some odd reason, nobody wants that.
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