Author Topic: Tanks in the birthplace of Christ (Read 2921 times)

-ammo- · « **Reply #75 on:** October 25, 2001, 05:20:00 PM »

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Originally posted by weazel:
Mrfish it takes big nuts to speak out against Israel, it's a damn shame more people don't have the guts to speak up. <S>

IMO the US should wash their hands of Israel, we've dished money and arms to them for decades without recieving much in return, other than grief for supporting them.

The US has been their most steadfast friend and now they turn around and bite us on the leg like a stray dog when we ask them to show some restraint and not make the situation worse.

The Holocaust was an awful thing - but how long are we going to carry the guilt because Hitler tried to wipe out the Jewish people?

Go ahead and call me a bigot, racist, or nazi if it makes you feel better - I've been called worse.

Actually I hope the opposite. It will be too the USA's advantage to continue to support and embrace a close relationship with Israel.

Staga · « **Reply #76 on:** October 25, 2001, 07:26:00 PM »

Ammo as long as toejam happens in Middle-East and U.S is financing those incidents you can be sure someone is makeing plans to blow up your ass.

Not that I care. You reap what you sow.

weazel · « **Reply #77 on:** October 25, 2001, 08:39:00 PM »

Actually I hope the opposite. It will be too the USA's advantage to continue to support and embrace a close relationship with Israel.

How so ammo?

Sure - we should continue to be friendly to them - but only if they reciprocate.

I don't see why the US should continue supporting them with billions in military and economic assistance if they can't reciprocate when we ask for something in return - in this case simply to show some restraint while we conduct a military campaign?

We have supported them long enough with hand outs, I say cut em loose, let them sink or swim based on their own merit.

Gadfly · « **Reply #78 on:** October 25, 2001, 08:49:00 PM »

Right does not require payment Weaz.

Wotan · « **Reply #79 on:** October 25, 2001, 09:35:00 PM »

at one time an anti-semite was someone who was considered anti-jewish. Even though arabs and middle eastern christians are "semites".

now an anti-semite is any one (or opinion) the jews don't like.

Being outraged at the violence perpetuated by the isrealis on palistinians is niether anti-semitism or nazism. Like being against arab terrorism is now where close to anti-arab.

Modern Isreal rose out of jewish terrorism and as horrid as arab terror acts committed against ireali citizens are staga is correct

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Not that I care. You reap what you. sow

Hangtime · « **Reply #80 on:** October 25, 2001, 10:20:00 PM »

We need to sponsor a Palestenian state that does not have a mandate to destroy Israel. Both governments need to be equally determined to control terrorisim in their states. Both need to accept a UN brokered and monitored border.

Thats just a start.

If either side refuses to come to these terms, we resort to means appropriate and consistent with bringing them both to the table. Pronto.

If yer kid brother continues to pick on the neighbor kid (or vice versa) after you warn him off, you kick his bellybutton and explain it to him again. I think we have the means to explain the situation to either Israel or Palestine.

StSanta · « **Reply #81 on:** October 26, 2001, 12:59:00 AM »

Why do Americans always spell Israel "Isreal"?

Probably because they pronounce it "Isreeee-ahl".

Maybe we should take over the US for a bit, to rectify this horrible crime!

Eagler · « **Reply #82 on:** October 26, 2001, 07:21:00 AM »

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Originally posted by Hangtime:
We need to sponsor a Palestenian state that does not have a mandate to destroy Israel.

ain't that the big issue, there are enough of the crazies on the P side that will not be happy until all the I's are gone. I think the P's want to eliminate the A's while they are at it...

Dr Seuss

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Wotan · « **Reply #83 on:** October 26, 2001, 08:11:00 AM »

St Santa we need a spell checker

maybe its the screwed up US keyboards.......

Staga · « **Reply #84 on:** October 26, 2001, 08:51:00 AM »

Naah, your kb is just missing few keys like å, ä and ö.

Udie · « **Reply #85 on:** October 26, 2001, 09:17:00 AM »

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Originally posted by Hangtime:
We need to sponsor a Palestenian state that does not have a mandate to destroy Israel. Both governments need to be equally determined to control terrorisim in their states. Both need to accept a UN brokered and monitored border.

Thats just a start.

If either side refuses to come to these terms, we resort to means appropriate and consistent with bringing them both to the table. Pronto.

If yer kid brother continues to pick on the neighbor kid (or vice versa) after you warn him off, you kick his bellybutton and explain it to him again. I think we have the means to explain the situation to either Israel or Palestine.

I think this is the best way to settle the issue. MAKE them settle it or kick both their asses. I do think it will take a wall of UN/NATO troops to physicly stand between the two parties though. It's about the only way I can think of to stop them from fighting. If I was an Israeli or a Palestinian I'd shoot or throw rocks at the UN/NATO too for coming onto my land. So I would expect any UN/NATO action to be met by some type of force from both sides, probobly more from the Israeli side since they have better stuff.

I saw a very good show last night on the history of Sharon and Arafat. It started at both their childhoods when the region was controlled by the British and ended with the assasination last week. I learned alot about the conflict that I didn't know and was reminded of things that I had forgotten. The program left me thinking.

I think that both the Israelis and the Palestinians, espesially the Palestinians, have damned good reason to be pissed at Egypt and Jordan. Those two countries have done more to cause the longevity of this conflict than either Israel or Palestine. Why did the UN allow Egypt and Jordan to take over Palestinian land after the 1948 war? Had they not, maybe just maybe one or more of the other wars would not have happened.

I hope that if we are ever able to divide this land up rightfully that Egypt and Jordan are made to help build a Palestinian economy. If you ask me the Palestinians would do better if they would allign themselves with Israel. I know that's laughable, but I think it's true...

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Eagler · « **Reply #86 on:** October 26, 2001, 09:47:00 AM »

putting UN's in there would just give the crazy I's and crazy P's more targets.

The sane I's, which I think are more of than the sane P's, need to eliminate the crazy P's as the sane P's do not seem to be able to control or want to control them themselves, all the while the sane I's need to keep the insane I's under control as not the escalate the problem.

there, simple as can be