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Offline Shamus

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« on: May 17, 2006, 12:50:37 PM »
Anyone else find this chilling, is a free press out dated in this country now?

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2006/05/fbi_acknowledge.html

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« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2006, 01:49:40 PM »
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"It used to be very hard and complicated to do this, but it no longer is in the Bush administration," said a senior federal official.



Good thing a SENIOR FEDERAL OFFICIAL said it.  It's not like we need to name who actually said it, because it is a SENIOR FEDERAL OFFICIAL.
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« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2006, 02:14:55 PM »
Chilling?!

What is chilling is having people leak information that deals with national security to reporters without having to worry about being arrested for being the traitors that they are.

Chilling is having the realization that these very same people could have vital information that could hurt millions of people if they decide to "leak" it to someone else.

Sorry but the Feds tracking phone numbers in the name of security is not "Chilling".
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« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2006, 02:50:31 PM »
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Chilling?!

What is chilling is having people leak information that deals with national security to reporters without having to worry about being arrested for being the traitors that they are.

Chilling is having the realization that these very same people could have vital information that could hurt millions of people if they decide to "leak" it to someone else.

Sorry but the Feds tracking phone numbers in the name of security is not "Chilling".


Did they say anything about "national security"?

As we are finding out with this administration, you can classify anything, as they are doing with things that have been in the public domain for years.

It is nothing more than a way stiffle people from leaking wrongdoing, Hillary would have loved it during Bill's administration, so would Nixon and Regan.

And by the way, your ignorance is showing, give me nothing but your phone records for a year, and Iwill put together an investigation that will know everything about you.

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« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2006, 02:51:43 PM »
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Good thing a SENIOR FEDERAL OFFICIAL said it.  It's not like we need to name who actually said it, because it is a SENIOR FEDERAL OFFICIAL.


Is that you way of saying this whole thing is a fabrication?

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« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2006, 02:56:46 PM »
Any federal agency is welcome to all my phone records. I've nothing to hide.

That is all.
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« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2006, 03:00:45 PM »
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Ripsnort wrote:
I've nothing to hide.

Please back this up with action. Post your Social Security Number, Bank Account Numbers, PIN codes, email and login passwords and your AH password.
Copies of your last 5 federal tax returns could be interesting too.
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« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2006, 03:10:27 PM »
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Chilling?!

What is chilling is having people leak information that deals with national security to reporters without having to worry about being arrested for being the traitors that they are.

Chilling is having the realization that these very same people could have vital information that could hurt millions of people if they decide to "leak" it to someone else.

Sorry but the Feds tracking phone numbers in the name of security is not "Chilling".



You know... if people are indeed leaking classified information, it is a criminal act subject to severe penalties.

I suspect that the leaks aren't really leaks, but educated guesses and speculation.
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« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2006, 03:19:10 PM »
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Did they say anything about "national security"?

As we are finding out with this administration, you can classify anything, as they are doing with things that have been in the public domain for years.

It is nothing more than a way stiffle people from leaking wrongdoing, Hillary would have loved it during Bill's administration, so would Nixon and Regan.

And by the way, your ignorance is showing, give me nothing but your phone records for a year, and Iwill put together an investigation that will know everything about you.

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What a load of BS!!

They want to know who is leaking classified information and you think that is wrong and you call me ignorant?!

I don't care who is doing it it is wrong! And if the press won't tell their source our govt has not only the right but the responsibility to find out who it was. If that means they look at phone records the so be it.

BTW I haven't seen one leak that outed the govt doing ANYTHING wrong.
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« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2006, 03:23:52 PM »
Pentagon Papers. Deep Throat.

Yes, if you leak defense critical info, off to court you should go.

Frankly, if it's info that demonstrates violation by offficals and the govenment of the rights of americans, then the leaker is obligated by loyalty to the constitution of the united states to leak.. shriek if necessary.

...and let the court decide if he's liable to serve time.
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« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2006, 03:36:46 PM »
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What a load of BS!!

They want to know who is leaking classified information and you think that is wrong and you call me ignorant?!

I don't care who is doing it it is wrong! And if the press won't tell their source our govt has not only the right but the responsibility to find out who it was. If that means they look at phone records the so be it.

BTW I haven't seen one leak that outed the govt doing ANYTHING wrong.


Well you and I disagree, I see all kinds of violations of the Bill of Rights and the Attorney General bold face lying before Congress about the NSA thing, you find it fine I dont.

Bush had taken a page out of Nixons book "if the President does it, it's not illegal"

Classify all wrongdoing and if your caught fry the leaker, take away the press's ability to protect a source.

Use signing statements to put Congress and the Supreme Court on notice that you reserve the right to ignore the laws that you sign, yes I call you ignorant.

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« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2006, 03:44:21 PM »
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Any federal agency is welcome to all my phone records. I've nothing to hide.

That is all.


I'm sure that there are many folks who would find it fine for any Federeal agency to film them banging their wives, does that mean you should be subjected to that?

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« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2006, 03:56:25 PM »
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I'm sure that there are many folks who would find it fine for any Federeal agency to film them banging their wives, does that mean you should be subjected to that?

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Video tape and phone conversations to people outside this country are like apples and oranges, but nice stretch!
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« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2006, 03:57:05 PM »
it is indeed chilling.  there is no justification for the further erosion of our civil rights.  The safety and security of any number of lives, even those of my children and grandchildren cannot be used for the justification of further governmental intrusion into the lives of American citizens.  Governments are by their very nature evil.  they need to be curbed.  our founding fathers understood this. some of you "men" should as well.  "The cost of liberty is eternal vigilence" that which we are supposed to be keeping in check are those who govern us.  In America the federal government is out of control, it has grown too large and intrusive, the sad thing is that it has occurred with the consent of the governed.
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« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2006, 04:03:12 PM »
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Video tape and phone conversations to people outside this country are like apples and oranges, but nice stretch!


Check again, it has been updated, domestic calls as well.

That aside, you seem to be stating that if its ok with you its ok for everyone.

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