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Offline AlGorithm

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« Reply #30 on: May 17, 2006, 05:14:23 PM »
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The Church is not threated. It does like the truth to be told.

http://ncronline.org/NCR_Online/archives/031403/031403i.htm
Under penalty of excommunication or suspension, a Pennsylvania bishop imposed a gag order for all his priests, forbidding them from voicing public disagreement with diocesan policy.
The priests said that Adamec imposed the order after priests were publicly critical about possible church closings and about the way the diocese handled a 1994 sexual abuse lawsuit. In that suit, Adamec was criticized for paying more in attorney fees than to the victim of abuse by now-defrocked priest Francis Luddy. The diocese refused the paper’s request for comment on the gag order.
http://www.bishop-accountability.org/ny-ny/Egan-Pre-2002.htm
Now that the case has hit the public square, it is expected that church lawyers will move to have a gag order issued.
http://ln-s.net/A3-
The Roman Catholic Diocese of Burlington said Judge Ben Joseph's decision to remove a gag order involving church paperwork in a recently settled case make it difficult for the church to have a fair trial.
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« Reply #31 on: May 17, 2006, 05:17:07 PM »
The faults of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops are grave.  They are, in cases, beyond comprehension.

The only suitable resonse for the sex scandal would be mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxiums culpa.

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« Reply #32 on: May 17, 2006, 05:19:40 PM »
People are sensitive about any "perceived" denigration of their faith.

In this case, the problem may be the perception that the "Da Vinci Code" is not truth masquerading as fiction, but is fiction masquerading as truth.
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« Reply #33 on: May 17, 2006, 05:24:42 PM »
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« Reply #34 on: May 17, 2006, 05:25:56 PM »
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In this case, the problem may be the perception that the "Da Vinci Code" is not truth masquerading as fiction, but is fiction masquerading as truth.

When, it is like all good fiction, fiction sprinkled with fact.
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« Reply #35 on: May 17, 2006, 05:30:08 PM »
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What is Opus Dei?  http://www.opusdei.us/sec.php?s=8

looks like good people to me.

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The Opus organization is a sectarian and mafia-like fundamentalist movement.
My closest experience with it is that two of my coworkers at my latest job were know to be in the Opus and while they failed to show up most days and I never saw them actually do anything work related in three full years they were never warned, disciplined or fired. One day, while they had officially been given extra vacation so they could go to Rome for a couple of months when the late Pope died, the middle managers were called upon this situation in a meeting with the staff and they just mumbled that it wasn't the place or time to talk about that.
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« Reply #36 on: May 17, 2006, 07:01:02 PM »
Ponder on this.
What if Jesus actually had an heir. How does that become bad?
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« Reply #37 on: May 17, 2006, 07:16:19 PM »
What I've been told by those who read the book, and someone correct me if I'm wrong, is the basic premise of the book is that Jesus did not die on the cross, but went on to sire a family.

This assaults the basic fact of any Christian faith, that Jesus died for all our sins and was ressurected.

There is no equivelant that can be expressed for any other major religion, since there is no Messiah in Islam, Judiasm, others. The best equivelant for Islam would be to write a book and make a movie showing that Mohammed was not a prophet, but was rather a crazed, violent pedophile. Imagine the outrage THAT would provoke.

Oh wait....
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« Reply #38 on: May 17, 2006, 07:22:24 PM »
"I been up, I been down.
Take my word, my way around.
I aint askin for much.
I said, lord, take me downtown,
Im just lookin for some tush.

I been bad, I been good,
Dallas, texas, hollywood.
I aint askin for much.
I said, lord, take me downtown,
Im just lookin for some tush.

Take me back way back home,
Not by myself, not alone.
I aint askin for much.
I said, lord, take me downtown,
Im just lookin for some tush."

- frank beard, bill gibbons & dusty hill  (ZZ Top)

Muhahahahaa
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« Reply #39 on: May 17, 2006, 07:24:00 PM »
yah got me, Angus.

I havent a freakin clue.

This is approaching the stupidity of the cartoon prophet horror show.

more evidence cultists and religionists should have their voting rights revoked.
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« Reply #40 on: May 17, 2006, 07:27:42 PM »
I guess i'm just a simpleton, but I figured this work of fiction was just meant to be enjoyed.  I was just gonna watch it, be entertained (hopefully), and then get back to reality.  Aww, what the hell, I'm gonna go ahead and still do that anyhow.  Still, it leaves me wondering...was I sleeping when those aliens from ID4 attacked, or has that yet to happen?
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« Reply #41 on: May 17, 2006, 07:30:41 PM »
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What I've been told by those who read the book, and someone correct me if I'm wrong, is the basic premise of the book is that Jesus did not die on the cross, but went on to sire a family.

This assaults the basic fact of any Christian faith, that Jesus died for all our sins and was ressurected.

There is no equivelant that can be expressed for any other major religion, since there is no Messiah in Islam, Judiasm, others. The best equivelant for Islam would be to write a book and make a movie showing that Mohammed was not a prophet, but was rather a crazed, violent pedophile. Imagine the outrage THAT would provoke.

Oh wait....


You may stand corrected.

The premise is that after Christ took one for the gipper, his common law wife; pregnant, esacaped and evaded to egypt and from there; to france. The 'grail secret' is the record of christs blood line.

...and the whole thing is just a fiction; based on fictious events, with fictional key players and suppositions, all thoroughy debunked by scholars and historians outside the church, and even more vehmently, by theologians inside the church.

But, the truth is not enough... the catholic church is acting like it's holy water suppy is threatened.

It's nuts!
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« Reply #42 on: May 17, 2006, 07:39:58 PM »
Not that I believe anything in the Davici Code..but HMMMMM..the church worried? What is it really trying to hide?

Though I believe I am a Christain..I have some doubts about some things..especially when all our translations of the scriptures come from groups that have been tied to politics like the Catholic church. What was edited or added in? Thats what I want to know.
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« Reply #43 on: May 17, 2006, 07:43:51 PM »
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What I've been told by those who read the book, and someone correct me if I'm wrong, is the basic premise of the book is that Jesus did not die on the cross, but went on to sire a family.

I've read the book. It's a mystery/thriller, and it is very good.
Jesus' marriage and procreation is just a plot construct. I don't recall the book claiming that he did this after he was crucified or before. Regardless, the crucifiction a very minor part of the plot, compared to the claim that he had children.

More to the point, and probably a greater source of the churches' ire, is that older religions were co-opted and suppressed by the Roman church. This is actually a historical fact, but apparently one of which Rome isn't proud.
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This assaults the basic fact of any Christian faith, that Jesus died for all our sins and was ressurected.

Do you need to believe in Jedi Knights to enjoy Star Wars movies? The suspension of disbelief is a necessary part of enjoying fiction.

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There is no equivelant that can be expressed for any other major religion, since there is no Messiah in Islam, Judiasm, others. The best equivelant for Islam would be to write a book and make a movie showing that Mohammed was not a prophet, but was rather a crazed, violent pedophile. Imagine the outrage THAT would provoke.

I fail to see the parallel between a husband and father, and a "crazed, violent pedophile".
It makes as much sense as protesting a book you haven't read or a movie you haven't seen....
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« Reply #44 on: May 17, 2006, 08:17:47 PM »
I did not say I was actively protesting it :p  Much ado about nothing, I'd think.

As was mentioned by others, this is a work of fiction. Being a free man, in a free country, I have no problems with a work of fiction being released.

Being a free man, in a free counrty, I also have no problems with people expressing their opinion on the subject.

Oh, and regarding Mo....was he crazed? Well...sanity is often an opinion, so I'll leave that to the student to decide.

Was he violent? Most assuredly yes.

Was he a pedo? Again, the record speaks for itself.
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