Time to Un-Perk the Hogs?

[Bronk]

Originally posted by Kev367th
First I'm confused - We don't have 12 (XII), but we do have a perked 14 (XIV).
 

I wanted him to google it . Sorry for the confusion.


Bronk

[DoKGonZo]

Originally posted by Saxman
Run a comparison on Dok's charts. Honestly, do you all REALLY want to see the F4U-4 at the same perk cost as the 1C?

It's still slower than a 109K.

I would be real surprised if a 5-perk 4-Hog made much of a difference in things except to the more experienced players.

[Saxman]

Guaranteed that if you remove the perk outright or lower the cost that much every 1, 1D and PROBABLY the majority of 1C's will be replaced by F4U-4s because everything the other Hogs can do the -4 absolutely WASTES them (the one exception being the hitting power of the 1C's lasers).

And so what if the K-4 is faster? We can go round and round about this (Spixteen out accelerates/climbs, Zeke out turns, blah blah blah yakity shmakity) but the simple truth is that except for the jets there's no one fighter that has such a huge performance advantage over the F4U-4 in ANY category that she can't compensate for it with another. THAT'S what makes her so uber, and why lowering that perk cost is flat-out asking for trouble.

[ghi]

imop , i would  let unperked the F4U-4/C,
cuz:

 
  1.   F4U-4 is slow, poor acceleration /under 10k, weak firepower, poor rear visibility , 90% fights are under 10k ,soo if LA7 is unperked , why perk the F4U-4?!  Soo what if is fast at high alt?, who's fighting up there @25 000 ft ?

  2, C-hog, great guns, but NIKi is  better fighter, close firepower and is free, soo  if, NIKI/typhoon is unperked, why perk the C-hog!?


imop, i would perk:>

      -- Me262-->  150 perks,

       --Me163--->60 perks-- BUT  . > enable it on more bases, Large A-bases, or Z-bases, cuz are fun to fly, and are lot of large maps where we don't have a chance to fly them long time

      --Tempest--->50 perks

 
    Also,  give to "2 weeks flyboys" 1-2 free jets bonus,  in MA environmet, most of them will crash them anyway, they don't have a chance to make those perks in 2 weeks,
I feel sorry for some of them, crying cuz they can't up certain planes.
     I feel somtimes like eating a flufy blueberry pancake, in front of a crying/ hungry kid, but i can't give him some,

[bozon]

why do people here keep asking for uber planes?
It will give you no advantage since everyone else will have them too. It does give you an advantage if you spend the perks and will be one of the few that fly them.
Eventually, even those who like old rides will give up and roll a 1945 plane just to kill you.

Are you an F4U fan? No you are not, since historic fans usually like to fly the more representative model of their plane. They are also more than happy to use their otherwise useless perks on the uber models.

[Saxman]

Um... What stats on the F4U-4 are YOU looking at?

Top speed on MIL is 350 on the deck, up to ~375 at 10k. On WEP she'll hit 400 at 10k and is within only a few mph of the P-51D throughout most of that range (closer on WEP). In fact, with WEP at 10k she's FASTER than the La-7. Below 10k, yes, the La-7 IS faster, but 375 is still DAMMED respectable and still close to the top in airspeed

Acceleration to 300mph at 500ft alt is only ~2.5 seconds behind the La-7 (to break it down, she only lags by about a second accelerating from 150 to 250). The only SIGNIFICANT advantage the La-7 has in acceleration is from 300-350 mph, (nearly a full 10 seconds) but that's only really an issue if one or the other decides to run (I've had more La-7s run from my Corsair than I've even NEEDED to run from an La in one).

Weak firepower? If the charts are to be believed the .50cal on the F4U-4 aren't THAT far off the La-7's cannon in lethality. However the F4U-4 has TWICE the fire duration, (4x if you only fire by "batteries" and not all six guns at once) and the Ma Deuce is about as close to E-Z mode gunnery as the game gets.

I'll agree with you on rear visibility, however the F4U-4 isn't unique in that respect and this is largely offset by adjusting the views (I WOULD like greater flexibility, tho, like being able to adjust head tilt and not just up/down, left/right, forward/back).

The F4U-4 is perked for GOOD REASON. The La-7 should be too.

[DoKGonZo]

I still think its worth trying (reducing 4-Hog price). I really can't see the typical MA denizen spending perks for a plane without at least 2 cannons. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong and HT can just reset the base price. If I'm right then the people who can appreciate the plane can use it without such a steep price.

[Karnak]

Ghi.

You have an "interesting" definition of "poor acceleration".

If the F4U-4 has "poor acceleration" what do the other 95% of the planeset that have poorer acceleration have?

[ghi]

Originally posted by Karnak
Ghi.

You have an "interesting" definition of "poor acceleration".

If the F4U-4 has "poor acceleration" what do the other 95% of the planeset that have poorer acceleration have?

  I had the La7 in my mind for comparation, i didn't look at performance charts, just the way it feels to do the job, maybe K-4 has more "muscles" also under 10k,,but the firepower is porked since gondolas are out,
    I 'm upping many times a La7 on a CAPed bases through vulchers net,  hit the wep, put the nose on the grass and reaches 300mph+ in few seconds, enough to kill the goon,  I would not up, F4U-4 for this kind of job,even it would be free, unperked,
  Does the F4u-4 accelerate better  than La7 in  "hot combat zone under 10k"?  i don't think soo, and it feels "heavy" not soo agile like LA7.
  I keep my oppinion, if LA7 is free, no reason to have the F4U-4 perked for "reality" of MA fights,

[DoKGonZo]

The 4-Hog accelerates about like a D9. Which ain't as fast as the La7, but hardly what I'd call "poor".

I still think it's at least trying it out at 5 perks. Below 10K it gets outclimbed by both the Spit16 and La7. Below 5K it's slower than the La7. Both the La7 and Spit16 accelerate better at sea level than the -4. And its only turn rate advantage is about a 30-foot smaller turning radius with full flaps.

Most people in the MA won't pay 5 perks for that kind of performance if it doesn't have Hispanos. But dropping the price does allow people to have a perk plane available at a reasonable price that will reward them if they learn to fly the thing.

[bkbandit]

Funny thing is a read on a few sites and seen on tv that there was a 4 cannon spitfire(u dont believe me watch the top ten fighters on military channel).  When u say nik is better then the corsair that is preference not a fact.  I have out acceled niks and stuck to them like glue on turns in my corsair.  Yes in a long slow turn fight nik will win, corsair pilot just cant be stupid, plus i have taken hits from the nik cannon and shook them off, i havent seen a nik shake off 50s and the hispanos are a quick end to an nme nik..  Ki84 is a better plane then the nik but again i have come up on them in a corsair(1d) and stuck it to him.  Yes i am a corsair fan(i like the pacific theater) and the f4u4 performs where the f4u1d lacks.  Accel is great, speed is great and yes its heavy but when u got speed she is very agile.  she isnt a easy mode plane(like the p51d) but with some brain power she does very well.  Yes i have had plenty of fights above 15k and that high slt speed is great.  The 50 cals arent as good as the c's hispanos(wat is) but the 50s take down cons with a well placed snap shot.  They are NOT meat head style gunnery and u need to put some time in to make them work right.

YES if nik,typo and la7 are unperked y should i pay for c hog. They should lower the price of f4u4 to within 5 points of c hog.  I dont want to unperk c hog i rather perk nik typo and la7 with a very low cost.  U can be good in anything if u learn how to fight in it.  I have seen fm2s and sbds do some amazing things in the h2h.  

When it comes to performance useing that new chart is ok but i wouldnt bet the farm on it.  The arent gaugeing alot of areas that effect the fight. T

[Urchin]

Originally posted by DoKGonZo
The 4-Hog accelerates about like a D9. Which ain't as fast as the La7, but hardly what I'd call "poor".

I still think it's at least trying it out at 5 perks. Below 10K it gets outclimbed by both the Spit16 and La7. Below 5K it's slower than the La7. Both the La7 and Spit16 accelerate better at sea level than the -4. And its only turn rate advantage is about a 30-foot smaller turning radius with full flaps.

Most people in the MA won't pay 5 perks for that kind of performance if it doesn't have Hispanos. But dropping the price does allow people to have a perk plane available at a reasonable price that will reward them if they learn to fly the thing.

I actually think the perk system is kind of broken.. but even at whatever it costs now it isn't exactly prohibitive.  Heck, the Spit 5 has Hizookas and an ENY of 35.  If you can joust with one Spit 16 / Nik / La7 / P-51 a sortie and 'win', you get 7 perks.  More if you manage to bring your crippled steed back home.  Whats the F4U4 go for nowadays? 20 points?  That is 3 jousts... not even a tournament.

[DoKGonZo]

Originally posted by Urchin
...   Whats the F4U4 go for nowadays? 20 points?  That is 3 jousts... not even a tournament.

Yea verily.

[ded]

Originally posted by ghi

    Also,  give to "2 weeks flyboys" 1-2 free jets bonus,  in MA environmet, most of them will crash them anyway, they don't have a chance to make those perks in 2 weeks,
I feel sorry for some of them, crying cuz they can't up certain planes.
     I feel somtimes like eating a flufy blueberry pancake, in front of a crying/ hungry kid, but i can't give him some,

I had around 400ish perks by the end of my first 2 weeks.  I upped a few perk planes, including a 262 which I got a few kills in and landed fine.

[Oleg]

Originally posted by DoKGonZo
Most people in the MA won't pay 5 perks for that kind of performance if it doesn't have Hispanos. But dropping the price does allow people to have a perk plane available at a reasonable price that will reward them if they learn to fly the thing.

20 perks is quite reasonable price for F4U-4.
If somebody want learn to fly hogs there is F4U-1D for free.