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Offline Hap

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« Reply #45 on: May 18, 2006, 08:02:36 AM »
Since we're talking about the administration and the press, here's a newspaper article.  A bit of news I missed reported by Reuters and run in Al Jezeera.

Oh, why "Al Jezeera?"  Reading what some of y'all have to say made me think reading what the Arab newspaper report can't be all that more far out.  Dunno.  It might be.  

My guess is this story was duly reported in this country, and I missed it.


Bush aide jailed for dirty tricks scandal
Thursday 18 May 2006, 6:16 Makka Time, 3:16 GMT    
Tobin's conviction is an embarrassment for Bush
 
 A senior official in George Bush's re-election campaign has been sentenced to 10 months in prison for his role in suppressing votes in a US Senate race, a scandal that Democrats say may involve the White House.


James Tobin, 45, one of three Republican campaign operatives convicted in a phone-jamming scheme designed to keep New Hampshire Democrats from voting in a 2002 election, was convicted of two telephone harassment charges.

Prosecutors had asked for a two-year sentence.

Steven McAuliffe. a US district judge, described the crime as extremely serious and a threat to free and fair elections.

"People in your position need to know they cannot do these things and if they do the consequences are very, very serious," he said in handing down a sentence harsher than the six months home detention and community service sought by Tobin's lawyer.

Democrats want an investigation into 22 telephone calls made by Tobin and New Hampshire Republican party officials to the White House on November 5-6, 2002, and say they believe national Republican officials may be involved in the scheme.

Kathleen Sullivan, the New Hampshire Democratic party chairperson, said she did not consider the sentencing to be the end of the matter.

"I consider this to be one more step in the process of uncovering exactly who knew about this. There are still unanswered questions," she said.

The national Republican party, which has paid more than $2.5 million in legal fees to defend Tobin, has said the calls to the White House were routine during a tight state Senate race and had nothing to do with the phone-jamming.

800 calls

Get-out-the-vote hotlines set up by state Democrats and a firefighter's association to urge residents to vote were jammed by more than 800 hang-up calls.

State Republican officials say they tried to stop it once they learned of the scheme.

John Sununu, the Republican candidate, beat Jeanne Shaheen, the then governor in the election and state Republicans swept a number of close polls.

Tobin, the former New England regional director of the Republican National Committee, stepped down as New England chairman of Bush's 2004 re-election campaign when he became subject of a federal criminal investigation.

Several other senior Republican figures have been convicted for their parts in the scheme.

Tobin was denied bail and also fined $10,000 and given two years of probation. He plans to appeal, his lawyers said.


Reuters

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« Reply #46 on: May 18, 2006, 10:05:20 AM »
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A senior official in George Bush's re-election campaign has been sentenced to 10 months in prison for his role in suppressing votes in a US Senate race, a scandal that Democrats say may involve the White House.
I love that line.

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« Reply #47 on: May 18, 2006, 10:35:05 AM »
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If the govt was doing a traffic study at an intersection to determin traffic patters about how many cars made a left hand turn and how many went strait.....and there was a judical process to oversee this traffic study.....and there were no liscense plate numbers written down, just the types of cars and the direction they went.....I don't see how my civil rights were being violated.



Sure.. no problem. It's ok that they know and duly note, recorded for prosterity and the highest corporate bidder that I call the Hooters Hotline 4 times a week...... my rights have not been violated because they didn't 'listen in'.

Whups.. looks like one of Osamas 4th cousins calls the same number 4 times a week. Now, we're all labeled commie terrorist tittie bombers, they open a file....

WAKE THE **** UP, GUNS!
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...at home, or abroad.

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« Reply #48 on: May 18, 2006, 05:50:04 PM »
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Sure.. no problem. It's ok that they know and duly note, recorded for prosterity and the highest corporate bidder that I call the Hooters Hotline 4 times a week...... my rights have not been violated because they didn't 'listen in'.

Whups.. looks like one of Osamas 4th cousins calls the same number 4 times a week. Now, we're all labeled commie terrorist tittie bombers, they open a file....

WAKE THE **** UP, GUNS!


They don't know that Hangtime calls hooters, they know that hooters recieved 4 calls from your number and 5 calls from this number and 3 calls from this number and so forth.  You are a needle in billion needle haystack and there is nothing in that haystack that points directly to your name.  I seriously don't see this as an erosion of privacy or rights if used correctly.


Aha the gunslinger said "used correctly"  you might be saying "Gunslinger what if it isn't used correctly?" then I'd say just like anything else there is judicial oversite.  http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060517/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_phone_records

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« Reply #49 on: May 18, 2006, 06:12:48 PM »
The information credit card companies have on you makes the phone log business pale by comparison
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers

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« Reply #50 on: May 18, 2006, 07:23:58 PM »
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The information credit card companies have on you makes the phone log business pale by comparison


Good point!  :aok

not to mention if you don't check the applicable box they can sell it at whim!

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« Reply #51 on: May 19, 2006, 01:38:06 PM »
Homer: Not a bear in sight. The Bear Patrol must be working like a charm.
Lisa: That's specious reasoning, Dad.
Homer: Thank you, dear.
Lisa: By your logic I could claim that this rock keeps tigers away.
Homer: Oh, how does it work?
Lisa: It doesn't work.
Homer: Uh-huh.
Lisa: It's just a stupid rock.
Homer: Uh-huh.
Lisa: But I don't see any tigers around, do you?
Homer: Lisa, I want to buy your rock.

This is what Sandman was saying or are you ignoring it because it doesn't agree with your POV ?

Or perhaps you're just trolling ?

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« Reply #52 on: May 19, 2006, 06:02:15 PM »
Winner!
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