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Offline Widewing

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« Reply #45 on: June 03, 2006, 10:24:54 AM »
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Another comparison that would be useful would be MA fuel duration. Full tanks and full plus max drop tanks.

I'm only mentioning these other items because I'm hoping someone might have already sampled the data. I ain't asking anyone to waste a summer afternoon hunched over their PC with a stopwatch.


You need not even take off to establish fuel burn time. You can do this on the runway using E6B and various MAP and RPM settings. Establishing max range is difficult. This is because your speed and altitude will determine range, and fuel is burning off rapidly with the 2.0 burn rate. Then there is the issue of altitude. The best you can do is provide an estimate or hard fuel duration figures for sea level only. Fuel used to climb will skew the data.

My expectation is that AH2 adheres to published data and that data is probably the easiest source to use. Even then, the typical Flight Operation Instruction Chart is a complex table, not something I would want to try and generate for Aces High.

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Widewing
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« Reply #46 on: June 03, 2006, 12:29:37 PM »
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You may be surprised to learn that at 25,000 feet, the P-47N looks to be the class of the field, capable of 456 mph and shaving several seconds off the Spitfire Mk.IX's best acceleration times (from 200 to 300 TAS) at 20k and 25k. I have yet to test the F4U-4 and Spitfire Mk.XIV, the only two aircraft that may challenge the P-47N at 25k. The P-51s didn't come close.


Here's the data for the best performing non-perked fighters at 20k-25k. I added the perked Spitfire XIV and F4U-4 for comparison. The 109G-14 was added to show how it fares above 20,000 feet (not very good).

I measured acceleration from 200 to 300 mph TAS at 20k and 25k and max speed at 25k in MIL power and WEP. For aircraft with higher critical altitudes, I also show speed at those altitudes.

So, data will be formatted like this: time/time/MIL speed/WEP speed (critical alt speed, where it applies)

P-47N: 29.53/31.91/418 mph/456 mph (476 mph at 30k)

P-51B: 35.19/34.89/419 mph/428 mph (442 mph at 30k)

P-51D: 36.04/43.53/431 mph/441 mph

P-47D-40: 34.33/36.72/416 mph/432 mph (433 mph at 30K)

P-47D-25: 34.69/37.88/416 mph/430 mph (435 mph at 30k)

P-38J: 33.28/38.07/403 mph/420 mph

SpitIX: 33.62/33.35/397 mph/407 mph

109K-4: 28.38/32.33/429 mph/444 mph

109G-14: 32.53/43.53/383 mph/391 mph

190D-9: 38.53/46.22/417 mph/423 mph

SpitXIV: 28.22/31.31/422 mph/443 mph (445 mph at 28k)

F4U-4: 29.15/37.97/431 mph/446 mph

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My regards,

Widewing

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« Reply #47 on: June 03, 2006, 12:35:40 PM »
110C's top end data was an typo in the planeID encoding (110c4b not just 110c4).

The F4U's, according to HT's plane data page, have 375 rounds in the secondary batteries. Which I guess are out of date relative to the game. I've adjusted those numbers.

Flying time - probably the E6B on the runway is good enough. Mainly I'm thinking of people who are new and don't know what an La-7 or Mosquito is. The intent here is comparison rather than mission planning.

I've added a printer-friendly layout to the To Do list.

Saxman, that level of detail is beyond what I'm trying to accomplish. It'd also explode the data gathering requirements for it to be done consistently. That said, I could take the same basic code base and add the ability to specify fuel load and internal ammo configuration to the parameters if there was enough interest. I'd have to flip the data around different internally to get it to line up on the charts, but it's doable. I built the code pretty flexible because I kind of expected follow-on implimentations - like bombers for starters.

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« Reply #48 on: June 03, 2006, 06:29:45 PM »
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I've added a printer-friendly layout to the To Do list.




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