Iraq's current situation (analysis)

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by Brenjen
Can I source what? The president of the United States exact words that repeated over & over in pulic in front of cameras that U.S. troops could be required in Iraq for as long as 10 years? Not without looking up the links, if it bothers you, you look it up. It is no state secret.

Brenjen, it's not my responsibility to back up your statements with proof.  Either you can support your statements or you can't.  That being said, I did look for a statement from the Bush Administration from before the invasion stating the the occupation could take up to 10 years and couldn't find anything.
 

Post invasion CIA report? The Iraqi Survey Group was an international 1,200 person group, not a CIA operation per se,

"This report relays the findings of the Special Advisor to the Director of Central Intelligence on Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction."

http://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq_wmd_2004/

& from what I have read in the very link you gave, they did hide their activities & the report does not mention the sattelite imagry of the truck convoys leaving Iraq & entering Syria & Iran which was also shown on news outlets over & over again...again I say, if you want the proof, look it up yourself.

The ISG concluded that the WMD were destroyed years before the truck convoys, that were photographed shortly before the invasion, started.

Wouldn't you call that splitting hairs since the "security council" is ap art of the U.N.?

Perhaps.  The point I was trying to make is it's not a nebulous UN that put the "no fly zones" on the table, but that the US and Britain that decided to do it of thier own volition, and heck didn't even put the "no fly zones" on any UN table.

No perhaps not too it. If we win a war & the enemy signs a cease fire & then violates it, we can do whatever we want up to & including carrying on with hostilities.

I disagree.  The US, Britain and the rest of the Gulf War collation where acting as agents of the Security Council and acting under it's authority.  The ceasefire was an agreement between Iraq and the Security Council.  Not between Iraq and any independant acting nation that had the authority to determine if there was a breach of the ceasefire, nor what was the appropriate response to any such breach.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by ~Caligula~
well..the russian way of liberation has a twist to it...and u`ve never even been on the recieving end of it

Really?

What was so wrong or twisted with, for example, liberation of Bulgaria? I hope you know what I am speaking about. What was so wrong about Russian occupation of France that last for 4 years?

Soviet propaganda always spoke about "liberation", but you have to admit that Soviet Union didn't do anything like 11 invasions to Panama (or creating the state of Panama itself), invasion to Grenada, terrorist bombings of Yugoslavia or aggression in Vietnam. And it definetly could do anything compared to invading and occupying Iraq.

As for being on recieving end of "liberation" - we have been at least twice in last 100 years. Second time it really got out of hand, so we had to fix some things, including saving one nation from being sompletely destroyed.

That's why we are so hmmm pessimistic about "liberation" by foreign military force, especially when the "liberated" country isn't liberated from foreign occupation. Let's use less politically correct terms and say that now Iraqi resistance fights for liberating their own country from occupants.

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by Boroda
Really?

What was so wrong or twisted with, for example, liberation of Bulgaria? I hope you know what I am speaking about. What was so wrong about Russian occupation of France that last for 4 years?

Soviet propaganda always spoke about "liberation", but you have to admit that Soviet Union didn't do anything like 11 invasions to Panama Poland 1919-23, Czechoslovakia 1968(or creating the state of Panama itself), invasion to Grenada, Hungary 1954, Poland 1939, Finland 1939terrorist bombings of Yugoslavia or aggression in VietnamAfganistan 1979 And it definetly could do anything compared to invading and occupying Iraq.

Clean as the wind driven snow.

Forgot to mention Lithuania, Estonia, and Latvia... my bad

[Yeager]

The war of soviet aggression in Afganistan was by far the most brutal and savagely resisted foreign invasion in the last half of the 20th century, and the 2nd mightiest military on planet earth was savagely defeated on the battlefield by cave dwelling primates.  Its a fact, jack.

[~Caligula~]

McGroin has he`s dates mixed up a little, but just about what my reply would have been.
Eastern Europe still suffers from the russian liberation. To fix up the damage of 40 years of madness ain`t easy.

BTW Boroda..did u ever upload that "Come and see" film?
I`d like to see it.

[Toad]

Originally posted by Timofei
A few thousand bodybags makes the American public understand and think the realities. It seems that it has to be reminded every for every 10..15 years, though. Short memory unfortunately. Korea, Vietnam, Gulf war, Iraq, Iran ?
And the war(s) goes on...money and oil...

Lemme get this straight.... you think the US invaded KOREA for money and/or oil?

You might just want to check a history book on the Korean war before you "enlighten" us any more.

[Hangtime]

Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Clean as the wind driven snow.

Forgot to mention Lithuania, Estonia, and Latvia... my bad

...and yah missed the first two tries for Finland. The one place they just never seemed to be able to 'liberate'.

[Brenjen]

Thrawn; I am not going to waste hours of research on finding the clips of President Bush stating that the occupation of Iraq could take ten years. He actually went so far in one speech as to bring up the number twenty. I am sure there are other people here who heard his speeches & remember his words it doesn't matter to me if you believe me or not, your a canadian, your opinion of American foriegn affairs doesn't matter at all. As a matter of fact, your country declined to help us, so keep your nose in your own countries business.

"This report relays the findings of the Special Advisor to the Director of Central Intelligence on Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction."

 If one link you post doesn't work, try another huh?

I do not care in the least if you agree with the fact that my country (or yours if it had the balls to stand up for itself) can commence hostilities against any country on earth that poses a threat to even one of our citizens. I don't care who it is, if they threaten to harm or harm an American citizen, they bought the whole can of whoop a**!

 Iraq was a threat, the palestinians are a threat, the Syrians, the Iranians, the Koreans, & the Chinese are pushing it with their weapons sales & the help they give the nations that want to see our demise, rest assured my boy, Canada will not be left out of any "kill the west" success story. I support war to secure my countries position in this world, I am sick of giving food & aid to countries on monday & having them drag our citizens through the streets dead on friday. As you can see I am a Hawk not a dove.

 All you terrorsits out there, Canada said allah sucks, I heard 'em!:D

[Hangtime]

Actually, Brenjen; just because they've managed to not make the same stupid foriegn policy blunders we've managed doesent mean they ain't good neighbors... or that we 'needed' their help to get in this jam in the first place.  

Further, they've had an election since the war, ousted their liberal government and installed a pretty decent guy in the P.M.'s chair. AND they are an armed ally in Afganistan... an operation they've been in from the first and they've lost some of their troops to our stupidity..

... a little respect for our friends up north might be in order.

[Brenjen]

Originally posted by Hangtime
Actually, Brenjen; just because they've managed to not make the same stupid foriegn policy blunders we've managed doesent mean they ain't good neighbors... or that we 'needed' their help to get in this jam in the first place.  

Further, they've had an election since the war, ousted their liberal government and installed a pretty decent guy in the P.M.'s chair. AND they are an armed ally in Afganistan... an operation they've been in from the first and they've lost some of their troops to our stupidity..

... a little respect for our friends up north might be in order.

 Leave me alone; I'm drinking.  

 Seriously? I do not have anything against Canada, I was raised to believe they were our best friend & the best one we will ever have.

 But everywhere I go, I see my country bashed by Canadians, even my Canadian friends & I'm getting tired of it. Yes they are in Afghanistan, yes they lost a couple guys to friendly fire, I hate it that it happened.

 If CANADA had been the target of the terrorists & they had suffered all that we have & I am not just talking about the last attacks, I am reffering to every embassy bombing & the barracks in beruit & Leon Klinghoffer getting shot & rolled into the ocean...I can go on & on & on; they would be screaming for vengeance! People have short memories, they don't even seem to remember the world trade center had been bombed BEFORE & by MUSLIMS.

 Where is the Thanks for all the good we have attempted to do? Where is the gratitude? I gaurantee you if it had happened to Canada, the U.S.A would be in there swinging on their side, even if they had their hands full somewhere else & couldn't go in; The United States of America would go in ALONE to help them. If only to plant the Canadian flag in the rubble & say "to you, from them"

 I say the Canadians who spout trash about us in the media & on the internet owe us, the people of the United States an apology. If they want me, as a U.S. citizen, not to view them as something other than a friend, just keep it up, it's a two way street.

[Hangtime]

We don't fight for 'thanks'.

we never did.

we don't need 'apologies', or respect.

we do what we do because if we didn't our friends would die alone.

[Yeager]

I Love Canada   They have cute babes!

[Brenjen]

Originally posted by Hangtime
We don't fight for 'thanks'.

we never did.

we don't need 'apologies', or respect.

we do what we do because if we didn't our friends would die alone.

 YOU might not need apologies or respect but I think it would be nice once in a while myself. Friends? Ha...I'm begining to wonder about that.

Edit: I also think it's really neat "O" the way all your sentences start with WE. It's like some messed up Haiku

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Clean as the wind driven snow.

Forgot to mention Lithuania, Estonia, and Latvia... my bad

Again: they were allowed to join the Union after a complete democratic procedure. Do you have anything against democracy?

Just compare it to how US seized Texas from Mexico.

Next, please.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by ~Caligula~
McGroin has he`s dates mixed up a little, but just about what my reply would have been.
Eastern Europe still suffers from the russian liberation. To fix up the damage of 40 years of madness ain`t easy.

Damage? Hmm. I don't think so. In fact we sponsored them, that allowed a much higher standard of living there then in USSR.

Or maybe we should better restore Soviet borders and leave them to be killed by nazis?

Also please note that it was "blue" side that started installing puppet regimes in euorpe and began the division of Germany and Korea.

Originally posted by ~Caligula~
BTW Boroda..did u ever upload that "Come and see" film?
I`d like to see it.

Check PM. I hope you'll help me share it, my channel will be unable to handle everyone DLing at the same time.