IL-2 puts others to shame. **OPINION ALERT**

[Cleaner]

One of the best features of IL-2 is squad training. As a squad you can go out on predefined missions using the mission builder, to define any type of mission you would like. The AI pilots in IL-2 are very good and know how to rope and dope ya, and all those other fun manevours. Can they replace a real pilot no, but they are fun never the less. I keep hearing this boxed game thing, like you can only play it by yourself... am I missing something.. Yakrobat

BTW, I am one the lucky beta testers for IL-2 and I also like AH, not flying AH right now as beta testing has kept me busy, but will be back online soon with you mugs  

[luthier]

Guys,

Just thought I'd introduce myself here, some of you may know me from various IL-2 boards.

Some more on the IL-2 MP limitations:

The actual data being sent is very small in size; I ran some benchmarks during the beta testing, and as a server I send about 3-5K per second in a 32 plane match.

IL-2 was designed with potential to grow in mind. Even with current technology people with cable modems could probably set up a 128-plane match and enjoy smooth gameplay... In three months of beta testing Il-2 I'm yet to experience any lag - and I hosted international matches on my home machine

Also, remember that IL-2 has a very distinct type of multiplayer games called co-op. Any single player mission can be played in MP with no extra tweaking. It's a very different sensation to fly with 12 squad mates in 4th GvIAP La-5FN's to intercept 9 KG30 Ju-88's covered by the whole 7/JG53 in full force   I don't personally feel like there aren't enough planes in the sky when slicing through the escorts toward the Junker's defensive fire - but that's of course only my personal opinion.


Lastly, Oleg Maddox (Il-2's lead designer) has always stated that a massive multiplayer sim was on his scope. It's not up to him to decide though, but rather a publisher needs to decide to support such a project.
So, if IL-2 is a commercial success - keep your fingers crossed. A dedicated server app running on both Windows and Unix is already written (with the same 32 player limit), and I think it's absolutely possible to create an MMP sim based on Il-2 engine.

Oleg even released some screenshots a while ago with their tests of player drivable vehicles, as an internal proof of concept  

[Possi]

Originally posted by jihad:
Thats fine if you LIKE fighting AI - I don't and never will, and 32 players sucks in comparison to 200+.

I can't wait until Oleg fixes the porked 109 FM, the wailing and gnashing of teeth in the IL-2 beta forum is already at a fever pitch over his last changes to it, I bet Posse throws down his pom poms and takes his ball home when it happens.    

Other than graphics AH is better and has NOTHING to worry about from IL2, until the FM hits NACA data it's just a Nintendo game pretending to be a flight sim.

Wheeeeee - my uber duber BF-109 is funnnnnn, I just point that spinny thing on the front at enemy planes pull the flamethrower trigger and they fall down.    

[ 08-24-2001: Message edited by: jihad ][/QB]

You know nothing,i can see on your Posting!
Go and watch James Ryan this biggest Stupidmovie on the World...
Fly this dream FM from AH  

[jihad]

You know nothing,i can see on your Posting!
Go and watch James Ryan this biggest Stupidmovie on the World...
Fly this dream FM from AH

LOL!

I'm a beta tester so I know more than you think, if it wasn't an NDA violation I would post what Oleg has to say in the Beta forum about the turn rate of the 109.

Are you by any chance the whiney little squeak who has been crying about the FM change of the 109 G6 in the beta forum?

Have fun in your uber duber PORKED 109, like I said above - just point the end with the whirly thingie on it and use the flamethrowers.

Until it has a realistic FM it's just another wannabe flight sim, although a very pretty one.  

[Possi]

Originally posted by jihad:
You know nothing,i can see on your Posting!
Go and watch James Ryan this biggest Stupidmovie on the World...
Fly this dream FM from AH

LOL!

I'm a beta tester so I know more than you think, if it wasn't an NDA violation I would post what Oleg has to say in the Beta forum about the turn rate of the 109.

Are you by any chance the whiney little squeak who has been crying about the FM change of the 109 G6 in the beta forum?

Have fun in your uber duber PORKED 109, like I said above - just point the end with the whirly thingie on it and use the flamethrowers.

Until it has a realistic FM it's just another wannabe flight sim, although a very pretty one.    

Oleg dont say from any Data in the Demo and he also say the FM from the 109 is 95% complete

[Animal]

I like Il-2. I'm enjoying the demo very much.

The graphics are just plain amazing, though I would like my FPS to be faster, thats why I'm getting a Geforce 3.

The flight model feels good once you get used to the twitchiness and rudders are too sensitive (if anyone can tell me how to make them less responsive, I'd be grateful)

The gunnery model.. well.. I put around 40 20mm rounds on a Yak3 with my 109, and it didnt even die. Maybe I'm doing something wrong, maybe my settings are bad.

The P39 is a blast to fly, and its fun to blast those Ju87 out of the sky with the 37mm

 

Now the views... I simply HATE them. Maybe I'm spoiled by the excellent AH view system, but I really dislike the view system in IL2. I dont like how the cockpit looks, and I find myself flying with no-cockpit for Situational Awareness and a big FPS boost.

The no-six view is also horrible. I understand you couldnt turn your head around in real life like in AH, but it should always be added as a gameplay improvement, I mean, we are playing on a 2D screen with no depth perception..

[Cobra]

Possi=German MG???

Cobra

[~Caligula~]

snapviews are allready implemented in the beta and will be included in the final release.It works just as well as in AH.

[Staga]

Animal I believe you can chance rudders sensitivity with DxTweak thought you might want to change it back when playing in AH.

[DeeZCamp]

Yep.. Made up my mind... IL2 is Superior to any WWII Flight simulation I have ever played, seen or know of right now.

THE POSSIBILITY of the sim going.. (EVEN HAVEING the capibility already) TO have Massive ONLINE war scenerios like Aces has here is PURE GREATNESS.

This SIM will become THE NEW BENCHMARK IN PLAYIBILITY, GRAPHICS, AND FLIGHT MODEL.

IL2 is seemingly the game of the future.

I HIGHLY recommend that for those who want a RELISTIC VIEW SYSTEM.... Learn to FLY LEFTY like me,.. and USE the MOUSE for the VIRTUAL HEAD MOVMENTS.

MOUSE config AS FOLLOWS.
Left button = Throttle up
Right Button = Throttle Down
Middle Button = Brakes

Lkefty joystick set to any options one can benifit from.

Rudder pedals =Rudder athority.

IT IS SIMPLY Amazing...AFTER just Playing IL2 for over 3 HRS with HEAD TO HEAD. THe comfort level and ability to use the above configuration Puts you in the cockpit, with an almost simulated periphial vision feel.

I literally feel as If I am watching a Movie from a Camera placed inside of the Cockpit, or attached to a pilots helmet.

Simply nothing left to say... but try it.


 

[Nash]

That's very cute Deez.  

[Karnak]

DeeZCamp and others, read this.

This guy says the same things that I was saying, but he claims to have much more experience in such matters.

Il2 is vaery, very pretty and very detailed.  I will definately buy it. That said, the FM needs quite a bit of work.

[Possi]

Originally posted by Animal:
I like Il-2. I'm enjoying the demo very much.

The graphics are just plain amazing, though I would like my FPS to be faster, thats why I'm getting a Geforce 3.

The flight model feels good once you get used to the twitchiness and rudders are too sensitive (if anyone can tell me how to make them less responsive, I'd be grateful)

The gunnery model.. well.. I put around 40 20mm rounds on a Yak3 with my 109, and it didnt even die. Maybe I'm doing something wrong, maybe my settings are bad.

The P39 is a blast to fly, and its fun to blast those Ju87 out of the sky with the 37mm

 

Now the views... I simply HATE them. Maybe I'm spoiled by the excellent AH view system, but I really dislike the view system in IL2. I dont like how the cockpit looks, and I find myself flying with no-cockpit for Situational Awareness and a big FPS boost.

The no-six view is also horrible. I understand you couldnt turn your head around in real life like in AH, but it should always be added as a gameplay improvement, I mean, we are playing on a 2D screen with no depth perception..

The Bf109 Cockpit have in real Glass/Bullet-proof glass and there CAN`T open the Window in Flight and watch out like in AH.
This why you have not 100% six view and your Enemy also  
Fly a long curve and watch back and you can see the Enemy  
The Cockpit from the 109 is also 100% real not like in AH!AH is for Newbis with a lot helps,IL-2 can fly also Newbis and Hardcore
virtuel Pilots.
Fly a Dogfight online with your Friends with the Demo you can see and feel the big different  
IL-2 is the NEW KING OF THE SIM!
(online and offline)

[Creamo]

You tell him POSsi! Whatever you said.

Great link Karnak. You ever time the roll rates in AH off that guys figures?

[Mathman]

I think aces could have graphics like IL2 but maybe they dont hae the resources, time,technology, experience.. to do it? idunno  

This has been explained before.  HT or Pyro (maybe both at some point in time) said that the reason that they do not have super duper graphics like you see in WW2F and Il-2 is very simple.  They want the sim to be accessible to as many people as possible.  Two things contribute to the reason the graphics are not as nice as in those 2 sims.  

First, not everyone is has a broadband connection like cable or DSL.  Therefore, HTC needs to keep the download to a minimum.  The small size makes it so that the more detailed graphics you find in Il-2 are not able to be put in.  Think about it, how big was the demo file for Il-2?  102MB?  How big is AH's current version?  18MB.  See a little bit of a difference?

Second, not everyone who plays AH has the latest and greatest gaming rig available to them.  If you look at the "worst" system vs. the "best" system used in AH, you will find a wide disparity.  In order to keep the most people able to play AH, you need to keep the system requirements down.  Compare the two games sys req's and you will see what I mean.

The graphics in AH have nothing to do with the abilities of HTC programmers.  It has everything to do with their choices concerning the market they are trying to reach.

I hope Il-2 is a good game.  It definitely has promise.  Until it is out, released, bug free, etc. nobody here can accurately say it is the "wave of the future."  How many games have said that and not lived up to it?

Il-2 looks to be the next generation of boxed sims.  I will probably get it.  Do I think it will replace AH/WB/whatever MMOL sim?  No.  Why?  Very simple.  These are two completely different types of games.  One is built to be played out of a box, with the potential to be a large multi game.  The other is designed purely as a MMOL game.

Until Il-2 is released, all the flag waving and bashing is pointless.  Even if some people have the beta, it is still just the beta and not the final boxed product.  Who knows what is going to happen between now and the release.