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« Reply #30 on: August 25, 2001, 04:32:00 AM »
This guy is better than minus!

Yessir... Possi - excellent work - keep up the reporting, we are always eager for new information. We look forward to any news you may have or... hell anything.. just keep posting. You are clearly the man.

Minus - you have your work cut out for you.

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« Reply #31 on: August 25, 2001, 04:38:00 AM »
Creamo,

No, but that is a new post.

Anyway, he is simply refering to the NACA test data that we have all seen and debated here on the AH BB.  I even put a post on the BB refering the the P-39D-1's NACA roll performance.  His post was more complete than mine and he states that he has flown a P-51 and a Spitfire MkIX in 4 to 5G aerobatics, thus he is a more reputable source.

I was thinking of pointing AH out to him in an attempt to get his opinion on the AH FM.
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« Reply #32 on: August 25, 2001, 04:49:00 AM »
Absolutley. Tha'd be interesting.

Cool.

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« Reply #33 on: August 25, 2001, 05:01:00 AM »
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This has been explained before.  HT or Pyro (maybe both at some point in time) said that the reason that they do not have super duper graphics like you see in WW2F and Il-2 is very simple.  They want the sim to be accessible to as many people as possible.  Two things contribute to the reason the graphics are not as nice as in those 2 sims.  

First, not everyone is has a broadband connection like cable or DSL.  Therefore, HTC needs to keep the download to a minimum.  The small size makes it so that the more detailed graphics you find in Il-2 are not able to be put in.  Think about it, how big was the demo file for Il-2?  102MB?  How big is AH's current version?  18MB.  See a little bit of a difference?

Second, not everyone who plays AH has the latest and greatest gaming rig available to them.  If you look at the "worst" system vs. the "best" system used in AH, you will find a wide disparity.  In order to keep the most people able to play AH, you need to keep the system requirements down.  Compare the two games sys req's and you will see what I mean.

The graphics in AH have nothing to do with the abilities of HTC programmers.  It has everything to do with their choices concerning the market they are trying to reach.

I hope Il-2 is a good game.  It definitely has promise.  Until it is out, released, bug free, etc. nobody here can accurately say it is the "wave of the future."  How many games have said that and not lived up to it?

Il-2 looks to be the next generation of boxed sims.  I will probably get it.  Do I think it will replace AH/WB/whatever MMOL sim?  No.  Why?  Very simple.  These are two completely different types of games.  One is built to be played out of a box, with the potential to be a large multi game.  The other is designed purely as a MMOL game.

Until Il-2 is released, all the flag waving and bashing is pointless.  Even if some people have the beta, it is still just the beta and not the final boxed product.  Who knows what is going to happen between now and the release.


I agree with you Mathman!But dont forgot what Luthier say there Player with a very good connection can also playing over 100 Players.I like to hear that too  :)

You say:
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These are two completely different types of games.  One is built to be played out of a box, with the potential to be a large multi game.  The other is designed purely as a MMOL game.
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The different is not the MMOL so big,the realism and the Quality is the big different.
So there not so completely different types of games.Both a Flysim!

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« Reply #34 on: August 25, 2001, 05:06:00 AM »
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Creamo,

No, but that is a new post.

Anyway, he is simply refering to the NACA test data that we have all seen and debated here on the AH BB.  I even put a post on the BB refering the the P-39D-1's NACA roll performance.  His post was more complete than mine and he states that he has flown a P-51 and a Spitfire MkIX in 4 to 5G aerobatics, thus he is a more reputable source.

I was thinking of pointing AH out to him in an attempt to get his opinion on the AH FM.

When AH have also Data from NACA for the Bf109 and FW190 then is there which falsely.

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« Reply #35 on: August 25, 2001, 05:12:00 AM »
Possi,

The NACA test chart doesn't have data from the Bf109.

The AH Fw190 is reasonably close to the NACA Fw190 test data, considering we have no idea what the stick force in AH is.

But my concern is for Il2's FM in this case.  I am going to buy the sim and I would like the FMs to be as accurate as possible.


 

FWIW, the AH Fw190 should roll a bit faster at low speeds.  I believe that AH is modeling a stronger stick force than the 50lbs in the NACA test.

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« Reply #36 on: August 25, 2001, 05:19:00 AM »
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Possi,

The NACA test chart doesn't have data from the Bf109.

The AH Fw190 is reasonably close to the NACA Fw190 test data, considering we have no idea what the stick force in AH is.

But my concern is for Il2's FM in this case.  I am going to buy the sim and I would like the FMs to be as accurate as possible.

FWIW, the AH Fw190 should roll a bit faster at low speeds.  I believe that AH is modeling a stronger stick force than the 50lbs in the NACA test.

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Ok,i have no so mutch idea over USAF Planes,just German Planes.This why i canīt say a lot over the USAF-Planeīs.

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« Reply #37 on: August 25, 2001, 05:42:00 AM »
Does anyone know how we changed from "IL-2's pretty graphics" to "IL-2's flight modelling"?

Can you people ever stay on topic for more than 5 posts? If not, then let it die and start a new one.

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« Reply #38 on: August 25, 2001, 07:58:00 AM »
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Simply nothing left to say...  


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Oh how I wish that was true!

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« Reply #39 on: August 25, 2001, 10:11:00 AM »
Cobra, What do you think of the entire enchalada of IL2??

Lets hear your Opinon   :p

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« Reply #40 on: August 25, 2001, 10:40:00 AM »
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DeeZCamp and others, read this.

This guy says the same things that I was saying, but he claims to have much more experience in such matters.

Il2 is vaery, very pretty and very detailed.  I will definately buy it. That said, the FM needs quite a bit of work.

Oleg has a rather comprehensive reply to RWORDWAY.  Basically, the NACA tests are not the TsAGI tests, and the P-39D is not the P-39N/Q.  The P-39N and Q models that went to Russia were modified according to TsAGI recommendations.  Most, if not all, aircraft in il2 are based from German/Soviet testing, not western Allied, ie NACA.

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« Reply #41 on: August 25, 2001, 10:41:00 AM »
Deez,
I already gave my opinion of it in the thread you started on the AH General Board.

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« Reply #42 on: August 25, 2001, 11:20:00 AM »
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Possi=German MG???

Cobra

No  :)

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« Reply #43 on: August 25, 2001, 11:37:00 AM »
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His post was more complete than mine and he states that he has flown a P-51 and a Spitfire MkIX in 4 to 5G aerobatics, thus he is a more reputable source.

LOL, it's Richard Ordway!   :D


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« Reply #44 on: August 25, 2001, 12:18:00 PM »
from what I head, Oleg used data from Russian some type testing thingy   :rolleyes:  during WW2. To me it feels very right. But Aces High got dweebs, thats why I'm here  :)