Author Topic: BF-109G6 JG50 Hermann Graf (Read 2451 times)

Fencer51 · « **on:** May 27, 2006, 08:58:21 AM »

I saw a post about some of the allied skinners doing more Luftwaffe aircraft so I thought, why not. Just started this last night. I an NOT a Luftwaffe expert by any means. Mustangs I know alot about, 109s I know little about. So I would by all means appreciate any and all hints and help while learning to do German Aircraft.

Supposed to end up like this.

here is where I am at now.

DYNAMITE · « **Reply #1 on:** May 27, 2006, 09:04:42 AM »

YES!
I have no doubt that will be sweet when done... I've been waiting for some new goodies for the G6

Thanks Fencer

Treize69 · « **Reply #2 on:** May 27, 2006, 01:15:30 PM »

I'm assuming you know where to go for colors with all the skins you've done, but mafavorite site for RLM colors is http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/colours/Germany.html

Usually pretty good.

Bruno · « **Reply #3 on:** May 27, 2006, 02:27:53 PM »

Some of Simmer's paint shop colors are in error.

Graf's G-6 was in rlm 74/75 over 76

Even then there are different tones depending on who mixed the paint. As such there's variety among many of the colors. The best way to make a judgment is by studying photos rather then relying on some else's interpretation. Unless you plan on just reproducing the profile. There are several LW skins (190s) that are based on inaccurate profiles ingame already.

The profile shown in the original post is by Claes Sundin and even profile artists of his quality have gone back and corrected past mistakes.

To get a good view of Grün 1 check out
Graf and Grislawski by Christer Bergström

Krusty · « **Reply #4 on:** May 27, 2006, 04:15:18 PM »

I agree, simmer's has some color issues that I don't like. I avoid it for color choice. I like to use a couple of different sources.

My first source is:

http://jpsmodell.de/shop/jpsrlm_e.htm

That's a good general source.

I like this one:

http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/colorcharts/stuff_eng_colorcharts_germany.htm

because it puts all the images together for comparison (at least, for the major color combinations).

Once in a while I'm forced to look here:

http://www.xs4all.nl/~rhorta/jgrlm.htm

This one is absolutely horrible. Most of the colors are off, and all are too dark. It DOES, however, lend perspective when dealing with colors. It sometimes helps to see other shades then go back to what you're working with.

Treize69 · « **Reply #5 on:** May 27, 2006, 04:19:45 PM »

I usually use simmers and then alter the colors slightly to suit the need.

Even two nearly identically painted WWII aircraft photographed side by side can look drastically different, so I don't put to much stock in any interpretations made 60 years later.

Treize69 · « **Reply #6 on:** May 27, 2006, 04:23:37 PM »

For example, notice the difference in yellows used on the noses. Same model aircraft (E-4s), received at the same time and from the same source (winter 1940-41), serving in the same unit (Grupul 7), but totally different shades.

Fencer51 · « **Reply #7 on:** May 27, 2006, 07:12:57 PM »

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Originally posted by Bruno
Some of Simmer's paint shop colors are in error.

Graf's G-6 was in rlm 74/75 over 76
To get a good view of Grün 1 check out
Graf and Grislawski by Christer Bergström

Bruno, what do you mean by 74/75 over 76. Is 76 the base color of the aircraft or the color of the undersides?

I had found the website on Graf-Grislawski while searching for something to do, thanks though.

Thanks Treize I do use Simmers workshop quite a bit.

And Krusty you are the man with the website references, thanks.

Cheers

Treize69 · « **Reply #8 on:** May 27, 2006, 07:27:02 PM »

74/75 over 76 means that the upper surface is a splinter/mottling of RLM 74 and 75, while the lower surfaces are RLM 76.

Fencer51 · « **Reply #9 on:** May 27, 2006, 11:01:29 PM »

Update:

Still alot of work to do. Rivets, Panel lines and basic colors on the plane.

Krusty · « **Reply #10 on:** May 28, 2006, 12:25:11 AM »

I think you've misinterpreted the camo paint scheme from that color profile. There is a "fuselage sides and undersurfaces" color. Then there are two different upper surface colors.

This is just an example of how there are two colors on top, and another underneath. This isn't at all like your skin. Just an example.

Fencer51 · « **Reply #11 on:** May 28, 2006, 07:31:42 AM »

Thanks Krusty. I will rework it and post for comment.

Treize69 · « **Reply #12 on:** May 28, 2006, 01:12:18 PM »

Another example (shows a straight side and a top down of the splintering)...

Bruno · « **Reply #13 on:** May 28, 2006, 02:05:57 PM »

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Another example

Those decal scans show Erich Hartmann's aircraft. He is doing Hermann Graf's Grün 1 109G-6 from JG 50 'Geschwader Graf'. The the hub, the mottling and the wing camo patterns are all different.

As I said some of the best images you will see of Graf's Grün 1 can be found in Bergström's Graf and Grislawski. I wouldn't just buy the book to do that one skin. However, for those interested in the LW in general its a great book to have.

Just look through Bergström's site (this page: JG 50: "Geschwader Graf") and may find an image or two of Graf's Grün 1.

Treize69 · « **Reply #14 on:** May 28, 2006, 04:17:11 PM »

Yeah, I wa s showing the splintering and mottling- most G6s used the same patters, just variations in color.