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« Reply #30 on: May 29, 2006, 02:27:25 PM »
I gotta side with Nash on this one. This is not about a USO show, this is about a TV show using the troops as props. Jesse James is no Bob Hope.
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« Reply #31 on: May 29, 2006, 02:32:14 PM »
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I always thought Humvees were really unique, cool looking vehicles.  Though I think Jesse James is one step above trailer trash.


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« Reply #32 on: May 29, 2006, 02:34:12 PM »
Bob's dead. so.. no more entertainment for the troops?

I'm no big fan of jesse james.. don't watch monster garage. jesse is a guy that works with his hands.. he's no comedian, he ain't an entertainer. just a 'blue collar' kinda guy. a mechanic.

that transportation battalion got somethin better than bob hope, imho.
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« Reply #33 on: May 29, 2006, 02:37:15 PM »
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Met several that have already volunteered to go back.


Not at all surprised by this. They worry about their friends.
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« Reply #34 on: May 29, 2006, 03:08:23 PM »
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Lessee, we have a criticism of a vehicle which was never designed to be a front line battle vehicle capable of withstanding anti tank rounds and explosive devices because it succombs to them. HHHMMM yep I can see where that's really someones fault there. (There's a real reason those munitions are called ANTI TANK rounds.)

We then have criticism about a tv show whose only claim to fame is changing a vehicle into something it was never designed for strictly for show with no purpose whatsoever in the real world. It was entertainment, nothing more.

I find this just SO freaking ironic. A poster here who regularly criticises the war and our presence there claims brotherhood with the folks who are serving when he has never, ever placed himself in a position to EVER serve with his "brothers". Like he has some kind of common reference with those who do go in harms way. Things like this weigh on him every day. Yeah right. :rolleyes:


It is very plausible to be anti-Iraq War and pro-troops without ever having served in the military.

In fact "pro-troops" is starting to piss me off. I have always been one of those guys who actually sings the national anthem at ballgames and tears up when a missing man formation flys by to the strains of "Amazing Grace" on bagpipes. I'm tired of having to say "pro-troops" every time I criticize the stupid war Bush has laid on us. Part of the BS fear mongering the republiucans have perpetrated on America is this stupid defensive position anyone who disagrees with the President has to take. Screw it. The war was a bad move... the troops are our best and brightest. Bring them the hell home or send them somewhere they are really needed. Oh wait... that's right, we broke it.

Maybe those guys got a thrill out of the Jesse James visit. and maybe they should have shown it on the Armed Force network in Iraq and maybe even stateside on bases. But putting it on commercial TV here is just profiteering. I wonder... has anyone ever seen any of Al Franken's USO shows on TV?

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« Reply #35 on: May 29, 2006, 03:32:27 PM »
Nash is not pro-anything, just anti-everything American.
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« Reply #36 on: May 29, 2006, 03:50:37 PM »
you can not be "anti-war" in public and "pro troops", every time some anti-war person says something against the war the enemy use it for propaganda, if you did not learn that during viet nam war you better learn it now.

when "war hero" murtha says 'bring the troops home " the enemy cheers, when murtha says the troops are "worn out" the enemy cheers.

you think by protesting the war you can end it sooner, but what you do is make it last longer by encouraging the enemy to keep fighting, "if we just kill a few more americans , they will run home to moma"

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« Reply #37 on: May 29, 2006, 03:59:10 PM »
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I always thought Humvees were really unique, cool looking vehicles.  Though I think Jesse James is one step above trailer trash.


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« Reply #38 on: May 29, 2006, 04:09:21 PM »
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you can not be "anti-war" in public and "pro troops", every time some anti-war person says something against the war the enemy use it for propaganda



S'truth, the Iraqi insurgents have been using this BBS as the primary source for thier propaganda for years.  Nash should know better by now.

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« Reply #39 on: May 29, 2006, 04:11:17 PM »
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You're right, it is possible to be pro troops and not serve. It's the "brother" claim that rings so blatently and patently false. It's also somewhat offensive to me for him to claim being a brother to those who did serve.
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« Reply #40 on: May 29, 2006, 04:11:49 PM »
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I wonder... has anyone ever seen any of Al Franken's USO shows on TV?


Has ever seen Al Franken on TV in the last 25 years? :D

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« Reply #41 on: May 29, 2006, 04:36:13 PM »
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Not at all surprised by this. They worry about their friends.


Some want to get back to their friends.

Some are action junkies.

Some think they're doing a positive thing for Iraq.

Some voice the "rather fight them there than here" idea.

I'd guess they probably have lots of different reasons as a group.

Nonetheless, I'm not sure Nash is in tune with his "brothers in arms" in the US military.

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« Reply #42 on: May 29, 2006, 05:08:34 PM »
As with most threads, this one is diverging along several themes.

As to the Jessie James episode from Balad (I'm betting Anaconda from what I did see of it).  Lot's of entertainers have gone to Iraq and Afghanistan. Saw several myself during my tour there, including Robin Williams, Toby Keith, and the Miller Light Girls, among others.  Many do it for the moral of the troops.  To try to give something back.  Some surely are doing it for the publicity (similar to why some politicians tour the war zone) but at least the troops still get something out of a visit by even these entertainers.  Trying to bring a little entertainment to the troops is a long tradition.  I expect to see more of the USO shows broadcast in the television media, along side all the other war-bases shows, movies, and specials we are seeing these days.  People will capitalize on it...human nature with human interest stories.

Some of the video seemed to be directed at an anti-war theme.  I imagine a lot of people are upset that scenes of the vehicle graveyards were being broadcast.  Lots of folks like to cover up the actual costs of the war..... every hulk in that yard represents dead and wounded soldiers that were it them at the time.  Its one thing to be anti-war, and another to be pro-troops,.... but I don't abide those that choose to ignore all the mistakes that have been made by those in charge as being part of supporting the troops.  Or those who want to hide the actual costs of war.  You fail to realize your mistakes, fail to adjust and deal with them, you will repreat them....and more soldiers die

The HMMV.  Not a combat vehicle.  Never was designed as one.  U.S. Army has not made much use of armored cars over the years.  They always designed for the war against the USSR.  Tanks and APCs and poorly designed IFV's (Bradley was designed and continually redesigned to try and fill too many roles, not really great at any of them IMHO).  Even as low intensity conflicts were becoming the norm, the procurement side of the military still focused on high tech toys.  As a result, no urban combat vehicles, armored cars, or dedicated CAS platforms really available in sufficient numbers when this war started.

Now Armored cars are being built and sent overseas as fast as they can be.... LAV 150's, LAV-300, M-1117's.  It took a lot of dead and wounded troops to convince those in charge of the need of such vehicles in the inventory.

Policy.  Early during OIF, the decision was made to perform missions with HMMVs so the troops could interact with the population; the hearts and minds campaign.  Tanks, APCs, and IFVs were considered too threatening for such presence.... too hard for the troops to recieve their flowers and candy from the grateful populous.  Even when the insurgency started to gain hold, they kept running HMMV's and light vehicles.  And when the reality of the insurgency became undeniable, they just started to "up-armor" the lighter vehicles. Once a policy goes into effect, getting it changed is sometimes like taking an old bone away from a mangy dog.

My unit made do with class-3 armored vehicles (bolt-on boiler plate).  HMMV's, 5-ton dumps outfitted as "gun trucks", and HEMMETs.  Few to no ring mounts for our heavier weapons, so we had to jury-rig whatever we could, which included cutting up many tripod mounts.  When some vehicles like these started experiencing roll-overs with dead and wounded soldiers (my company was one that had an incident) we were ordered to not use them any more...... when we asked what they would give us to mount heavy weapons on, they replied nothing.... have to make do with HMMV's and 249 SAWs..... we promptly ignored the orders so we could still roll with M2 .50's and Mk 19's.

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« Reply #43 on: May 29, 2006, 05:35:50 PM »
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« Reply #44 on: May 29, 2006, 07:06:49 PM »
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I wonder... has anyone ever seen any of Al Franken's USO shows on TV?
I dont know I dont watch AlJazeera
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