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Offline Debonair

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« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2006, 06:41:09 PM »
it was nixon's to win or lose
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Offline Gunslinger

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« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2006, 06:42:54 PM »
Why do you guys feed that troll.  For gods sake he posted a pick of flag draped coffins asking "if I laughed about it" in response to a funny thread of protesters crossing the line and getting pepper sprayed.

Seriously the guys a troll and has no reguard for anything here except for sturing up the pot.  Don't respond to him.

I've read a few news articles today and I seriously hope that this article is true because it says the charges are total BS.  I hope its true for the sake of the Marines doing a tough job in a tough situation.  You never know what you would do until you've walke a few miles in their boots.

Either way I have to have faith in the system that the investigation will be fair and true.  I have to have faith that these Marines will not be used as a political tool by the left or the right.  And last but not least I have to remind myself that right or wrong this is a less than 1% accounting of our troops behavior while serving their country and it is not the exception but the rule of conduct with the enemy we are fighting there.
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« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2006, 07:15:56 PM »
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it was nixon's to win or lose


ROFL!

Well folks, there's :39 left in the fourth quarter. It's 4th and 99 for the home team... Johnson hands Nixon the ball!


Nixon runs with it! It's juking, he's jiving, he's all over the field. It LOOKS - LIKE - HE - COULD - GO - ALL - THE - WAY!

OH NO! they tackled him at the North Vietnamese 1 yard line as time runs out.

Forkin' Nixon lost the game for us.



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« Reply #18 on: June 02, 2006, 07:27:37 PM »
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ROFL!

Well folks, there's :39 left in the fourth quarter. It's 4th and 99 for the home team... Johnson hands Nixon the ball!


Nixon runs with it! It's juking, he's jiving, he's all over the field. It LOOKS - LIKE - HE - COULD - GO - ALL - THE - WAY!

OH NO! they tackled him at the North Vietnamese 1 yard line as time runs out.

Forkin' Nixon lost the game for us.



:rofl


No wait... It's the old hidden ball trick! Nixon has handed the ball to Ho. Ho laterals to Chi.... Chi darts around Rummy and tosses it to Min. Min sidesteps Agnew and hurdles Cheney for the TD!

NV scores!
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« Reply #19 on: June 02, 2006, 07:30:14 PM »
The NV actually scored in the next game Hanoi U vs Saigon. They won in a rout.

You can blame the entire US for that loss... as well as Saigon; they couldn't field a team.
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« Reply #20 on: June 02, 2006, 07:35:43 PM »
Ahhh...**** happens :aok

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« Reply #21 on: June 02, 2006, 07:38:49 PM »
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it was nixon's to win or lose



It was Nixon's choice to lose the war or get us out while saving some honor.   The war was already lost way before Nixon came into power.



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« Reply #22 on: June 02, 2006, 07:48:21 PM »
No sympathy here, if the iraqi's chose to let their children participate then they chose to suffer the consequences:



to the US Marines who have to pull the trigger on the of these so called civi's, must be a hard thing to do.
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« Reply #23 on: June 02, 2006, 07:51:22 PM »
I thought we left because we finally got a repub in the wh and he realized there was no oil in nam ... that's the only reason republicans wage war right?
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« Reply #24 on: June 02, 2006, 07:53:36 PM »
I knew several guys that fought the north.. the whole family had been fighting the north for a couple of generations. They were people.. good people. Christians, if it makes a difference.. (it did there, but it didn't to me) ..they died; killed by a 10 year old girl who was booby trapped. it was utterly insane... and if you didn't get yer head wrapped around a whole new reality early on... well; suffice to say the western concept of sanity was not thick on the ground over there.

In vietnam there was no such thing as a 'non-combatant'.  I'm no authority on Iraq... but I can certainly attest to the virtual impossibilty of telling the players apart based on location, gender, age or appearance in vietnam.
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« Reply #25 on: June 02, 2006, 10:36:35 PM »
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I knew several guys that fought the north.. the whole family had been fighting the north for a couple of generations. They were people.. good people. Christians, if it makes a difference.. (it did there, but it didn't to me) ..they died; killed by a 10 year old girl who was booby trapped. it was utterly insane... and if you didn't get yer head wrapped around a whole new reality early on... well; suffice to say the western concept of sanity was not thick on the ground over there.

In vietnam there was no such thing as a 'non-combatant'.  I'm no authority on Iraq... but I can certainly attest to the virtual impossibilty of telling the players apart based on location, gender, age or appearance in vietnam.



A good friend of mine 1st Lt. Brian D. Slavenas, he and I went to school together. When he got deployed to Iraq he was flying a CH-47 and ate an SA-7 back in November 2003, which killed he and 16 others. The 2nd ship saw the other missile blow by but not track at all. He wasn't a gung ho type, but he was 6'5. I dunno who pulled the trigger - doubt it matters much, but the gloves were off for me at that point.

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« Reply #26 on: June 02, 2006, 10:50:20 PM »
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and now boys and girls it's time for a history lesson.

after 6 years of messing up in Vietnam, LBJ and his master mind, wizkid McNamara, left office and Nixon was now president of the USA and he won the Vietnam war with operation linebacker 2 and brought the troops home, but then the democratic controlled congress cut off all military aid to south Vietnam and let the north invade and "win".


That's pretty much true.

Don't forget that Kennedy got us into the war in the first place.

Nixon then takes the rap for getting us out after getting the north on it's knees? LOL!
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« Reply #27 on: June 02, 2006, 11:57:39 PM »
They're running a poll at al-jazerra

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/84EA679E-DE70-4CCF-929D-8B43E1BA2ECF.htm

Will the US military investigation into the killings of Iraqi civilians in Haditha reveal the truth?

                     Yes :
                      32%

                     No :
                      58%

                     Unsure :
                      9%


NOTE: Voting is controlled by cookies. You can't vote repeatedly unless you delete your cookie(s).

Apparently the administration has succeded in exporting their version of democracy*, buggy voting software and all.
 

*Democracy 2.0 (C) 2000 Diebold Inc.
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Offline Gunslinger

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« Reply #28 on: June 03, 2006, 10:13:52 AM »
Time for a little perspective here:

This is what the media and SOME on the left want you to beleive.

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Victims in al-Haditha. The US is carrying out two inquiries (AP)


'Massacre Marines blinded by hate'
From Tim Reid in Washington

Corporal claims that his comrades, who were accused of killing Iraqi civilians, lost control
 
A MEMBER of the US Marines unit accused of murdering 24 unarmed Iraqis said yesterday that his colleagues “were blinded by hate” and lost control before the massacre.  


That's the UK times leading the reader to beleive that those people where blind folded and executed by US Marines.

Now we go to a news week article from MSNBC.com:
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7615458/site/newsweek/

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Insurgents in Haditha executed 19 *****e fishermen and National Guardsmen in a sports stadium


I'm not for one minute excusing any attrocities committed by anyone.....BUT this is beyond biased and almost outright slander.  It's important to remember that these types of executions committed by our enemy are the RULE and not the exception.  There won't be any investigations into these killings, no trials, no indictments, and worse of all no public outcry because it happes EVERYDAY
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« Reply #29 on: June 03, 2006, 11:05:49 AM »
You want the truth? The truth is we all have our breaking point, people snap, even marines, they are human too. If this happened, they will face a severe punishment. And to be honest, I feel for these young men, it's like having a son who got drunk and got behind a wheel and killed someone. You feel for him and wish there was something you could change, but know he must take responsibility for his actions(not a very good analogy, but the best I could come up with).

You are hinting that this is policy? I find it hard to believe that soldiers like Pat Tillman would kill civilians to send a message. I know marines would be loud and vocal if given such a dishonorable command.

There is a reason they say war is hell, that's what it is, these are the things that happen. Considering the ruthlessness of the enemy, I say our young men have handled themselves very well. God bless them.

war, what is it good for, nothin
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