Knives Handed In At Police Stations

[lukster]

Originally posted by Hangtime
Maybe in Texas. Not in 27 other US states, 56 cities and more counties than I can tally.

Well, I'm all for state sovereignty and I don't live in one where citizens don't have the right to defend themselves. I think if you look back a few years you'll see that the trend in this country is increasing freedom in this respect. Not what I'm reading about in the UK.

[lukster]

I think your facts are a bit out of date Hangtime.

http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=18



While I may be an ugly American, we do have access to the BBC on this side of the pond. Am I to disregard what I read there?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4813856.stm

[Hangtime]

Originally posted by lukster
I think your facts are a bit out of date Hangtime.

http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=18

 

I stand corrected. Thank you sir.

Shall I point out that 48 states require a permit? A permit that lets the government know who you are, where you live and what you have? Is not registration and 'permits' just the first deadly step in 'rounding up all the guns'?

Last time I checked, registrations and permits prior to purchase classify as 'infringement' of the right to keep and bear arms, yes ?

And who's to say that a few years from now that a diffrent administration, with a different view on the 'rights' issue doesn't blow the dust off a few 'on the books laws' regarding 'constitutional rights' and start yanking the guns.. like they did last year in New Orleans.

Still seems to me our yard ain't all that tidy. The UK is just a few years ahead of us, ain't they?

[lukster]

At least we are going in the right direction. I won't deny that we have our share of those who would deny us this basic constitutionally guaranteed right but the silent majority is becoming less and less silent.

I have to disagree about the registration part though, at least in Texas. It has been ruled that Texas cannot keep records on what guns you own.



The only time I would prefer an F over a D-.

http://www.bradycampaign.org/legislation/state/viewstate.php?st=tx

[Sparks]

Again Lukster did you actually read that report ?? It was a demonstration by activists against the worldwide arms trade[/b] which happenned to have some relatives of victims on board.  I don't really think the Uk has sole ownership of worldwide peace organisations like Oxfam etc. and I hardly think it's a valid indicator of the UK general publics attitude on self protection in the street or home.

This knife amnesty is a stunt - a PR excercise to offset headlines like this ...
Stabbing near my home town
Wisbech is not far from my home - I know that square and pub. Mr Blair would have me believe that the knives amnesty will fix this LOL !! Like a bunch of gypos are going to hand in their knives

So how much safer are we now - well Wisbech is in Cambridgeshire - and according to the BBC there have been 212 knives handed in - population 553,000 - well there we go - all safe now . If as you suggest the general populace was meekly giving up their pointy things they would have 100's of thousands - they have 212 FFS.

Remembering the BBC has to be careful of the government it is hardly surprising to see them join in on the PR fest - presuambly at the behest of some minister.
The BBC PR machine in action

Interesting sidebar there that at one festival they seized 90 knives in one go at metal detectors and in the whole county of Cambridgeshire they get 212 in 12 days.  Gimme a break.......

[john9001]

Originally posted by Hangtime
I stand corrected. Thank you sir.

Shall I point out that 48 states require a permit? A permit that lets the government know who you are, where you live and what you have? Is not registration and 'permits' just the first deadly step in 'rounding up all the guns'?

Last time I checked, registrations and permits prior to purchase classify as 'infringement' of the right to keep and bear arms, yes ?

And who's to say that a few years from now that a diffrent administration, with a different view on the 'rights' issue doesn't blow the dust off a few 'on the books laws' regarding 'constitutional rights' and start yanking the guns.. like they did last year in New Orleans.

Still seems to me our yard ain't all that tidy. The UK is just a few years ahead of us, ain't they?

florida does not ask what gun/guns you have or even if you have a gun, it is a concealed WEAPONS permit, there are other things besides guns considered as weapons.

[Nashwan]

and this makes the situation somehow less ludicrious?

Of course not. They're politicians.

It's backfired in this case, because no sooner did they launch the amnesty than a spate of stabbings occured.

Just because that's what you want Sparks doesn't mean it will happen. I've never been to the UK but from what I read there appear to be more people there like Beetle than like you. Good luck with getting the rights back that your countrymen handed over to their government so meekly.

Lukster, no offence, but don't you live in a state that's banned dildoes?
(please, no flame wars, only gentle fun)

If knives are legal, why call the event National Knife Amnesty?

Because it's a publicity stunt. I can assure you knives are not illegal.

[lukster]

Originally posted by Sparks
Again Lukster did you actually read that report ??

I read all of it. It is an attempt to get the UN involved in handgun control. Do you deny this?

Please point me to some pro handgun movements in your country so that I may be enlightened. I've no doubt there are some, I just believe they are a small minority based on what I read.

[lukster]

Originally posted by Nashwan
Lukster, no offence, but don't you live in a state that's banned dildoes?
(please, no flame wars, only gentle fun)

I think southern women found the public display and sale of such items to be an affront to their sensibilities. It's not like they are really needed in the (they don't call it big for nothing) state of Texas.

[Sparks]

It is an attempt to get the UN involved in handgun control. Do you deny this?

Errrrrrr .... yes.  It's an effort to get the UN involved in world ( the whole big blue ball thing we live on - Texas is a small part of it) arms control - you know - like selling AK's to the somalis. Yes handguns are in there but so are RPG's.

This isn't a handgun thread and it's an irrelavent point. Your handgun would be as useless to you as it would to me if you had the self protection laws we have in the Uk - that's the crux of it.

This thread is about the perception by some that a failed but much hyped PR stunt by a bankrupt government is in some way an indication of a submissive general populace. If it inflates your machismo to believe it then go ahead. Unfortunately it's not the truth.

I remind you that the largest bunch of fighting troops you have standing next to you in combat theatre is usually made up of that British populace.

[Meatwad]

At that rate the government will have these installed soon.....

[beet1e]

Originally posted by Sparks
trust me that what you see over here in the US (yes I'm here on business) bears no relation to what is really happenning in the UK.  Lets just say that the news media in the USA isn't renowned for it's foreign story reporting.  

Very true, so very true. All too often, they make the mistake of judging one country from the perspective of their own. So it's not surprising that they can't make any sense of the results of such a judgement. I always remember when I was living/working in the US at the time of the 1981 Toxteth/Croxteth riots, and the local news media was reporting "civil war" in Britain. No internet access back then, so in the absence of any proper newspapers (sorry, but the Oakland Times does not win any awards for international journalism - LOL) I phoned my brother, who lives now as he did then in the south of England. I asked him about this "civil war" - the US media made it sound like Basra - LOL! And his reply was something like "oh no, it's just a bunch of yobs engaging in copycat violence and wanting to have a punch up with the police. Otherwise, life goes on much the same..."

Of course, the same thing works in reverse - one has to be careful how one interprets foreign news reported in British newspapers.

Lukster sounds like a shades account - less than 200 posts in 6 years, and now 12 posts in this one thread?

[Toad]

Originally posted by beet1e
Very true, so very true. All too often, they make the mistake of judging one country from the perspective of their own.

Well, as a leading example of that practice, you would know.

[B@tfinkV]

what you're all failing to note is that the vast majority of the knives handed in will be by parents who confiscated them from thier 13yo children.

Adults who want to be armed can and do get away with it.


the knife amnisty is to protect our children from killing each other in schools. It was introduced (not for the first time) after a series of violent murders where the victims and attackers were all unde the age of 18.



make it a joke if you want, or maybe you think its good to see a group of school kids 'free' to arm themselves with weapons that kill.

[Curval]

Did you know that they arrest Texans for being drunk in a bar too?

Crazy world.