Author Topic: Please fix the rampant Ordinance Porking (Read 4239 times)

Warchief · « **Reply #135 on:** June 10, 2006, 06:04:09 AM »

OK as a Bish I have to say something here. Most on here are not Bish. If you are outnumberd and getting squeezed on all sides what are you going to do. Well pork the field to try and slow down the horde. Taking the ability for that to happen will do more harm then good. People will turn around and log off because they cant stop the horde and just getting steamrolled on two sides. I am a big time porker and I dont do the lawn darting I will keep porking your field and de acking till I am dead. Now I do agree with hardening them alittle. IE I will agree that ammo bunkers should not be taken by out by just guns. I would say that you would have to hit with 2 rockets but saying bombs no. Bringing back the 25% fuel would be great also.

lazs2 · « **Reply #136 on:** June 10, 2006, 08:48:58 AM »

well... years ago I said that we should have huge cities that have to be leveled to "win the war"... As has been said.... we have 150 fields and no one is using but half a dozen when 500 people are on... How is "winning the war" good when it involves.... capturing nothing but airfields? I have played for years and maybe seen.... 3 resets?

So have huge cities... when they are flat... the war is won... If you are a strat girl you can up fluffs or escort fluffs to the cities... You can up fighters to defend the cities... you can flatten airfields on the way to cities...

Noble furballers can ignore the "win the war" and furball between airfields..

A war could be "won" with dozens of airfields still open and furballs going on between them.

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

Kev367th · « **Reply #137 on:** June 10, 2006, 09:22:36 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
My point is that fuel should not be a factor in this game and that is pretty much how it shook out in WWII.

Really?
Guess you know more than all the experts who mention the LW having severe fuel problems towards the end of the war. Both in quantity and quality.

From the Allies side, no it wasn't a problem, but a blanket statement like yours is totally wrong.

ALF · « **Reply #138 on:** June 10, 2006, 10:52:02 AM »

This issue is simple. HT has basically turned off the strategy model, there is no strategy to the game, EXCEPT ord. Now while I much prefer some additional strategy, I understand the 'game' issues things create. For example, I loved being able to pork fuel, this however eliminated 90% of the planes from gameplay consistantly on the front lines as the only planes in the air were the most fuel efficient and the ones with the biggest fuel tanks (which makes no sense with a fuel shortage but is the way the game is coded).

The issue with fuel was also exsasterbated with the fuel being easily taken out be a single fighter, this is the same problem we have with ord. Any base can have its ord destroyed by a single fighter, and this causes an issue, especially at bases where the enemy can roll in GVs quickly. I am much more infavor of trying a limited ord approach, where, much like fuel was, it isnt completely unavalable, just limited. Making so that a total bombing wieght based on pecentage of ord would be an intersting experiment, and put a bottom on it so theres always at least small bombs available.

75%=no rockets

50%=no rockets, max bomb size 500 lbs

25%=no rockets, max bomb size 250 lbs

0%= no rockets, max bomb size 250 lbs only 1 bomb per flights (effectivly eliminating heavy bombers)

I duno...just an idea.

DoKGonZo · « **Reply #139 on:** June 10, 2006, 12:11:27 PM »

That idea was floated a couple months ago too. I think rockets should always be available, though.

Lazs, I probably fly a lot less than you and I'm usually around for a reset per month.

Maybe there's a reason why non-Bish are the ones complaining about porking.

Lye-El · « **Reply #140 on:** June 10, 2006, 12:28:44 PM »

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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
The attacks I'm seeing of late are going kinda like:
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First wave of Jabo horde ... kills barracks and ord ... tries to get VH (misses half the time)
Vultching commenses
Vultchers start dying as defenders start to gather
2nd wave of Jabos starts to roll in, trying to kill FH
A semi-chaotic condition ensues where attackers must decide if they want to kill the town and protect the C47's, or vultch the field - most choose the latter, C47's die, town still mostly up

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It is indeed an awesome display of teamwork.

Thats what I've been seeing also. Set up a vulch they can't maintain while "somebody else" is supposed to kill the town. By the time the town is down the enemy is upping. If the FH is left up the capture usually fails unless a Horde forms.

Seldom is there a well executed attack with a sufficient number of people to be quick and effective. This is especially true if you are in an underdog country.

mars01 · « **Reply #141 on:** June 10, 2006, 12:58:18 PM »

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So have huge cities... when they are flat... the war is won... If you are a strat girl you can up fluffs or escort fluffs to the cities... You can up fighters to defend the cities... you can flatten airfields on the way to cities...

Noble furballers can ignore the "win the war" and furball between airfields..

A war could be "won" with dozens of airfields still open and furballs going on between them.

Would be nice to see everyone fighting in one area, but it can't work with 3 coutries, now do this in the AvA and you have conentrated fights and one goal so you always know where to find the action.

Why do I get the feeling CT is going to be like this...

mars01 · « **Reply #142 on:** June 10, 2006, 01:00:20 PM »

Also on the whole bunker thing, I'll bet, those buners you guys are speaking of look nothing like the bunkers did when they first established those fields. What a front line bunker looks like would be more to the topic.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #143 on:** June 10, 2006, 02:30:09 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
Ok... let's see if we get this...

Griefing is really strat so long as it is other players game being ruined... If they don't like it then tough... they don't have to pay the griefers fifteen bucks bill a month...

A griefer strat girl who's ord is porked is quite antother thing... he is being unfairly treated in the game... ONE person can ruin the game for him and his bridge club of fellow fluffers and make it impossible for them to have an easy shed orgy.. this is somehow unfair.

The toolshed greifers will squeal like rock stars in prison if their ord is porked by a single player but when they are able to do the same to someone else they say..... "if it bothers you then fly cap and defend your FH or CV"

When told to do the same they simply cry...

The real point being... If you can ruin the fight and fun for more than one person at a time then the game you play is probly the game of an attention starved, tallentless greifer and you probly deserve to be treated in kind.

As for fuel... It should never have been a percent in any case. It should have been gallons. Use the fuel load of a 51 say... or whatever... allow everyone to take the same gallons. 50% of a fuel load for a P47 say would over fill a 109.

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

but nobodies game is "ruined"

You simply take off from another base.
Which is where buffs should be upping to begin with and not doing NOE missions in heavy bombers.

If I had my way. the only bombers that would be allowed to up from front line bases would by the light and medium bombers. No heavy bomber would even be allowed to up a front line base

but back to porking

Ont the larger maps its next to impossible to keep ALL the front line bases ammo porked at the same time. Trust me. I've tried when baseporking was my primary fun.

Typically I Now, on the occasions I pork bases only pork bases where hordes are operating out of.

Hordes in essence are greifers too as they also ruin other peoples gameplay.
so turnabout is fair play

And I HATE the hore.

Soooo.
dont want me to pork your bases.
Dont horde barely defended ones.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #144 on:** June 10, 2006, 02:34:18 PM »

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Originally posted by Mister Fork
Did you miss the quote that the bunkers I saw at the airfields I worked at were built in the early 40's?

I don't think that field bunker building (mobile) has changed a whole lot in 100 years for us army grunts and engineers.

Must have missed it.

Where were they? USA or abroad?

Still during the war and particularly in the ETO. the fronts were moving too fast for front line hardened ammo bunkers to be practical.

Not saying there werent any.
but they were by far the expetion and not the norm

SlapShot · « **Reply #145 on:** June 10, 2006, 02:43:52 PM »

A21 was a fluster cluck last night for the Rooks. There had to be 50 or more planes capping A21. There were so many there, that the field icon was completely covered in green.

2 and 1/2 hours after I logged in, they finally took it. For the 2 and 1/2 hours, there was a green conga line to A21.

Multiple goons streamed enroute to A21 constantly asking for siterp on the town as they drew near ... rarely would anyone answer them ... goons arrive ... town is still up in some form or another ... again this went on for 2 and 1/2 hours.

It was HYSTERICAL !!!!!!! ... strateegery at its finast.

DoKGonZo · « **Reply #146 on:** June 10, 2006, 03:02:41 PM »

The radio traffic after the reset was almost as good, Slap.

SlapShot · « **Reply #147 on:** June 10, 2006, 03:13:14 PM »

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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
The radio traffic after the reset was almost as good, Slap.

It always is ... I still to this day can't fathom some of the jabbing that goes on just after a reset.

Especially this one ... "You never would have won without numbers" ...

I got my WIN THE WAR PERKS !!!! ... WOOOOOT ... almost broke the 23,000 perk barrier ... LOL.

lazs2 · « **Reply #148 on:** June 11, 2006, 08:38:05 AM »

damn slap.... I only have 22,000 perks...you must reset a lot of maps.

dred... sure...you can allways take off from a farther out field but.... it is only fun doing nothing forever if you are a mouse weilding fluffer who is multitasking being an elf or knob goblin in everqauest at the same time tho.

not fun for nobel furbllers.

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #149 on:** June 11, 2006, 09:53:41 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
damn slap.... I only have 22,000 perks...you must reset a lot of maps.

dred... sure...you can allways take off from a farther out field but.... it is only fun doing nothing forever if you are a mouse weilding fluffer who is multitasking being an elf or knob goblin in everqauest at the same time tho.

not fun for nobel furbllers.

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

but I think we are primarily talking aboutthe ord being perked here no?

Which is something the furballers should welcome.

I do a bit of everything.
But if I were a dedicated furryballer the first order of buisness for the night would be to pork the ord and troops at opposing feilds with the first flight, then off to furballing