Author Topic: American Elections (Read 541 times)

Thrax · « **on:** October 23, 2000, 05:31:00 AM »

I'm sorry but to us Europeans you've got two choices:

Bush : A right wing hippocryte of epic proportions.

Gore: A right wing hippocryte of epic proportions.

Lucky you... ;(

Eagler · « **Reply #1 on:** October 23, 2000, 07:07:00 AM »

Long live the Queen ~~

And don't forget your wigs at the next parliment meeting

Eagler

Ripsnort · « **Reply #2 on:** October 23, 2000, 07:50:00 AM »

LOL Eagler.

StSanta · « **Reply #3 on:** October 23, 2000, 09:09:00 AM »

Well, Thrax, that's pretty much how I see it as well. Democracy in the US is definitely not a grass root thing, and won't be for a lot of years. Hasn't been for a lot of years.

But, it does have its advantages to abstract over the people as a whole; efficiency. The

I still think Duma would make a better president than either of the two.

Have The Muppets in the Senate, and I'll move to the US NOW.

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Skuzzy · « **Reply #4 on:** October 23, 2000, 09:10:00 AM »

A choice between the lesser of two evils. When voting, that is pretty much the way it is here, at all levels of the government.

I guess I have gotten pretty pessimistic about our politicians.

In another post I made about why anyone would consider Gore, as he is such a blatant liar, a response to that was along the lines of "he seems to have a better grip on the issues".
This truely bothered me. How can you know if he has a grip on anything? The lies are so blatant. I don't think the tha man knows the difference between truth or fiction.

Politicians appear to rely heavily on people only hearing what they want to hear and disregarding the rest. Our country appears to have accepted the fact that politicians will not be honest.

Of course, broaching this topic only causes people to respond, "well, that's the way it is, and there is nothing we can do about it." I have heard this response enough to know it is pointless to talk about the overall political situation, as it pertains to the quality of the people we are voting for.

In retrospect, I probably should have just kept my mouth shut. I know better than to try to talk about politics with anyone. I am honest, ethical, and treat people with respect. It was the way I was raised. My problem is not being able to get past applying those qualities as a measurement of the people I chose to associate with.

I am faced with a lose-lose proposition. I can vote for the lesser of 2 evils, or not vote at all. I, like so many others, cannot win in this scenario.

Lucky us......indeed. We have no one to blame but ourselves for allowing this situation to continue unabated.

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Thrax · « **Reply #5 on:** October 23, 2000, 09:16:00 AM »

Long live the Queen

Hehehhee. Gimmie a harmless old lady to some sharp git in a suit on Capitol hill

America needs Leaders who give a toejam about the contry (Truman, Rosavelt et all..) rather than only being worried about their self image (Gore, Bush, Clinton, Bush #1 etc..)

Come to think of it, I think we all need leaders from the old school....except the German and Italian ones...

Gimmie Churchill over Blair any day.

Thrax

Toad · « **Reply #6 on:** October 23, 2000, 10:11:00 AM »

Skuzzy:

"hearing what they want to hear and disregarding the rest"

Simon & Garfunkle, "The Boxer", @ 1968 in "The Graduate" soundtrack, right?

You're right, the more things change, the more they stay the same.

Relax....the Nation has survived many poor Presidents....the latest is just another example.

We'll survive the next four years as well because when there truly is a challenge, the people rise above their politicians.

SOB · « **Reply #7 on:** October 23, 2000, 01:29:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Thrax:
I'm sorry but to us Europeans you've got two choices:

Bush : A right wing hippocryte of epic proportions.

Gore: A right wing hippocryte of epic proportions.

Lucky you... ;(

I had 7 candidates for president on my ballot in Oregon.

OK, only two of them have a chance for winning this year, but perhaps votes for them this year will get their parties more steam in the coming years, and end this 2 party nonsense.

My vote...John Hagelin. Was actually going to vote for George W, but couldn't stomach any pro-lifer.

SOB

Dinger · « **Reply #8 on:** October 23, 2000, 02:27:00 PM »

At least he knows he's lying.

Yup, Amurrican politics are pretty much like Yer-a-peein' ones: no real choice, just a sham to perpetuate the status quo.

It is however, odd, how many of the world crises out there feature such obnoxious jockeying for position around US presidential election time.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #9 on:** October 23, 2000, 02:29:00 PM »

SOB< with all due respect, the media has "had' you again, GW is not the proverbial 'pro-lifer' that the media has made him out to be, he is 'anti-3rd semester', which is, he believes a fetus is a child at age 6 months and up within the womb, and considering I've seen many of these babies (Sis-in-law works in pediatric unit), they are indeed babies, and not 'fetuses' like the press would like you to believe. GW is against aborting near-full term pregancies.

Eagler · « **Reply #10 on:** October 23, 2000, 02:51:00 PM »

It's getting hard to tell who is for what...
Gore is now pro guns while Bush is semi pro choice. Seems like they tell whoever they are standing in front of at the time what they want to hear. Definitely closer to the center on both candidates, at least until they are elected

One important item not talked about much is the Senate and House of Representatives. If they go Democratic majority and Al wins .. hold on to your wallet!

Eagler

Maverick · « **Reply #11 on:** October 23, 2000, 02:58:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Eagler:
It's getting hard to tell who is for what...
Gore is now pro guns while Bush is semi pro choice. Seems like they tell whoever they are standing in front of at the time what they want to hear. Definitely closer to the center on both candidates, at least until they are elected

One important item not talked about much is the Senate and House of Representatives. If they go Democratic majority and Al wins .. hold on to your wallet!

Eagler

Eagler,

Holding wallet will do no good. They will take it before it ever gets to your wallet.
Then the "kinder gentler" IRS will take the remainder.

Mav

SOB · « **Reply #12 on:** October 23, 2000, 03:02:00 PM »

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Would support - but not pursue - a pro-life Amendment
Bush has said he is opposed to abortion and would support a constitutional amendment making the procedure illegal - except in cases of rape, incest and when the woman’s life is jeopardy. But he also says Americans don’t support the measure, thus there is no need to pursue it. But he would not require his Supreme Court nominees to pass an anti-abortion ‘litmus test.
Associated Press 6/14/99

It's this quote that got me. I'm glad to see he wouldn't pursue it, but I still don't like the fact that he would approve it...regardless of how likely or unlikely it is that congress would pass an amendment like this. Is it a mis-quote?

This is strait from his web site...

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Pro life with exceptions for rape, incest and life of the mother

Set the goal that all children should be welcomed in life and protected by law

Supports parental notification, banning use of taxpayer funds for abortion, and banning partial birth abortion

Supports efforts to increase adoptions

Opposes doctor assisted suicide, believes the role of a doctor is to relieve pain and suffering, not to end life

Make permanent the $5,000 adoption tax credit

I actually agree with everything above, except for the Pro-life and the doctor assisted suicide (but that's a different issue). I don't think abortion is the right thing to do, but it's not my decision to make for other people...and I think it would be a huge mistake for it to be outlawed.

In any case, I'm still happy voting for an independant this year, particularly one I agree with on about as many things as Bush. This rediculous exclusion of independants from national debates is a farse. I just hope voting independant helps to get some more variety in coming elections.

SOB

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bloom25 · « **Reply #13 on:** October 23, 2000, 03:09:00 PM »

I normally don't get involved in political discussions, but I'm going to this time.

First of all the whole concept of a tax surplus bothers me. Basically what this means is that you have been overtaxed in the first place. Gore changes his promises every day it seems, but what I gather is that he wants to spend the majority of this surplus on bigger government and more programs. Bush wants to give it back. IMO Gore is saying "The US government knows better than you how to spend your money." This brought to you by the same people as the $100 ashtray and the $1000 toilet.

Secondly, if we institute new programs, how will we feel if that projected surplus ends up going up in smoke. Where will the money now come from? I'll give you 1 guess...

Honestly I don't think the president really has the power to do all of the things either candidate claims. The presidents REAL power is that he appoints the supreme court justices. Whoever becomes our next president will appoint 3 justices I believe. You can bet this will have an impact.

Personally I believe Gore is too dishonest to know what exactly what he wants to do. I can't vote for someone that changes their rhetoric to match that of the latest poll stats.

SOB, what do you think of that phone book sized booklet we got this year?!? The thing comes in two parts and is probably 200 pages thick or more!

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Ripsnort · « **Reply #14 on:** October 23, 2000, 03:11:00 PM »

Reports I've heard is his political stance isn't that stern, its there for the 'Bible Belt' folks, you know, stuff they believe in but no way could get passed into law once in office, he could get the partial birth abortion law in, but to turn Roe vs Wade around would (excuse the pun) almost take an act of God. (Supreme court)