For our children?

[lukster]

Originally posted by Horn
Actually according to the CDC, the teen pregnancy rate is the lowest it has been since 1976 so you might want to update a bit. That statistic also pokes some holes in your argument that sex ed hasn't "done anything."

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/01news/trendpreg.htm

Uh, I edited my post long before you or anyone else responded, maybe you didn't read to the end? Your link is 5 years old, I found one newer than that but still not current.

[lukster]

Originally posted by Horn
Actually according to the CDC, the teen pregnancy rate is the lowest it has been since 1976 so you might want to update a bit. That statistic also pokes some holes in your argument that sex ed hasn't "done anything."

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/01news/trendpreg.htm

In regards to your sex ed statement, which btw I didn't see you quoting me, when did the increased pregnancy rate begin? I could easily tie the increasing pregnanacy rate to that period. I won't though becuse I don't believe that sex ed promoted teen pregnanacy. I do believe that our relaxed and declining morals in this regard is the cause. The preganancy rate in the US is still far higher than that of any other country. I will admit that sex ed has produced limited success in it's contraceptive efforts. That, along with the fear of aids.

[Horn]

Originally posted by lukster
Uh, I edited my post long before you or anyone else responded, maybe you didn't read to the end? Your link is 5 years old, I found one newer than that but still not current.

You mean this edit?

The rate did decline, not sure where it is today. Too high imo.

No, I saw it.

Are you claiming that after drastic decreases since 1976 the rate of teen pregnancy has somehow shot up in the last 5 years?

Whatever. Here's a 2004 article that says much of the same thing. You are incorrect in your assumption.

http://www.guttmacher.org/media/nr/2004/02/19/index.html

[Mini D]

Originally posted by lukster
The preganancy rate in the US is still far higher than that of any other country.

Huh? Not even remotely nearly or even possibly accurate.

[Horn]

Originally posted by lukster
In regards to your sex ed statement, which btw I didn't see you quoting me, when did the increased pregnancy rate begin? I could easily tie the increasing pregnanacy rate to that period. I won't though becuse I don't believe that sex ed promoted teen pregnanacy. I do believe that our relaxed and declining morals in this regard is the cause. The preganancy rate in the US is still far higher than that of any other country. I will admit that sex ed has produced limited success in it's contraceptive efforts. That, along with the fear of aids.

I was quoting you directly. I can't tell you when teen pregnancy began to rise but I would guess soon after women got the vote --but really--the question is: When did it begin to drop? Looks like somewhere around 1976 and it has been decreasing every year since.

Therefore, contraception, education and decreased sexual activity seems to be the factors most responsible for bringing the rate down.

Your "relaxed and declining morals.." argument is antithesis to the facts as represented by the government survey and the statistics quoted above.

[lukster]

Originally posted by Mini D
Huh? Not even remotely nearly or even possibly accurate.

Actually I was thinking European country. My bad.

[Horn]

Originally posted by Mini D
Huh? Not even remotely nearly or even possibly accurate.

No, I think he's totally right on that stat. Here's the chart:

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_tee_pre_percap-health-teenage-pregnancy-per-capita

Remember though--this isn't UNMARRIED teen pregnancy, just pregnancies before age 20 so many cultural issues arise--look at Iceland for instance.

[lukster]

Originally posted by Horn
You mean this edit?


No, I saw it.

Are you claiming that after drastic decreases since 1976 the rate of teen pregnancy has somehow shot up in the last 5 years?

Whatever. Here's a 2004 article that says much of the same thing. You are incorrect in your assumption.

http://www.guttmacher.org/media/nr/2004/02/19/index.html

You might want to read more than just the date of the article. Your article covers a period from 1990 to 2000.

Like I said, I will admit that sex ed may be responsible for successfully promoting contraceptive use, no proof of that though. I doubt it has done anything to reduce sex among teens though. I'm betting you don't care about that. that's ok by me, just don't force your values on others.

[Horn]

Originally posted by lukster
You might want to read more than just the date of the article. Your article covers a period from 1990 to 2000.

Like I said, I will admit that sex ed may be responsible for successfully promoting contraceptive use, no proof of that though. I doubt it has done anything to reduce sex among teens though. I'm betting you don't care about that. that's ok by me, just don't force your values on others.

I read the article. Unlike the first one I gave you which showed a decrease in teen pregnancy for 21 years, this one said the same thing and then added an additional three years. Do you see a trend here?

But anyway:

ROFL. That's pretty funny though. You are confronted with evidence from several disparate sources, each refuting your "belief." Now I'm "forcing" my values on you.

Your only riposte is to say that now, "I don't care about sex between teens"--brilliant!!  And you know what? I don't care. I and my wife educated our girls on the birds and the bees at home, explained how it all works and sent informed, erudite women out in the world to make their own way and their own decisions.

The last one is just finishing college and I'm not a grandfather nor have I financed any abortions. I'm pretty sure the education works as opposed to screaming about the "relaxed and declining morals."

Heh. Sorry about the rant--it is just that having a conversation that descends into illogic and victimization because you have nothing but "faith" to support your position makes me laugh.

[lukster]

You posted that link claiming it was more up to date than the first. It wasn't and now you're tap dancing.

I admit when I'm wrong and I did so before you or anyone else pointed it out.

I applaud these people standing up to their government demanding their rights. Without people of all backgrounds willing to fight for their rights, we all lose.

[Mini D]

Originally posted by Horn
No, I think he's totally right on that stat. Here's the chart:

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_tee_pre_percap-health-teenage-pregnancy-per-capita

Remember though--this isn't UNMARRIED teen pregnancy, just pregnancies before age 20 so many cultural issues arise--look at Iceland for instance.

No way. When in Denmark, it was unusual to meet a girl that didn't have a kid before 20 - usually unmarried. Usually 2 kids. Stats quoted by Danish people to me when I mentioned it would have made that chart a blip. It was not on the order of <1 per 1000... it was on the order of 50-100 per 1000.

[lukster]

Originally posted by Mini D
No way. When in Denmark, it was unusual to meet a girl that didn't have a kid before 20 - usually unmarried. Usually 2 kids. Stats quoted by Danish people to me when I mentioned it would have made that chart a blip. It was not on the order of <1 per 1000... it was on the order of 50-100 per 1000.

Search for yourself, of course these agencies that track this sort of information may all be liars. Who knows?

[midnight Target]

Did anyone else actually look at the "sexually explicit" book this article is about?


LOL

[lukster]

Originally posted by midnight Target
Did anyone else actually look at the "sexually explicit" book this article is about?


LOL

The article mentioned that one of the books being protested contained the "F" word many times on one page. Does that sound like the kind of book you want your child reading in school? Maybe you don't care. While kids will inevitablly be exposed to that sort of vulgarity sooner or later we don't have to endorse it by publishing it in our school libraries. If a librarian thinks it has some redeeming educational value fine, put it in the section where the kids with progressive parents can read it.

[Horn]

Originally posted by lukster
You posted that link claiming it was more up to date than the first. It wasn't and now you're tap dancing.

I admit when I'm wrong and I did so before you or anyone else pointed it out.

I applaud these people standing up to their government demanding their rights. Without people of all backgrounds willing to fight for their rights, we all lose.

(sigh) I gave you a link for teen pregnancy from the years 1976 to 1997. You said that was old, do I have another. I provided one written in 2004 that detailed the same information, this time from 1990 to 2000, adding three years to the statistics. I was unable to find anything that addressed the last five years. No tap dancing, straight facts.

Please refute if you can. Remember, "Too high imo."?

Enough derail. I was interested enough to go find the book that irritated Wrag in the first place.

It is cartoons with explanations of puberty, physical changes and such. Written in simple easy to understand terms. I can't believe the hoopla.

EDIT: haha, MT beat me to it.