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Offline midnight Target

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« Reply #90 on: June 16, 2006, 05:15:38 PM »
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put it in the section where the kids with progressive parents can read it.


Will there be a sign at the entrance so everyone will know that those kids have (dun dun dunnnnnn) progressive parents?




hehe... this is the funniest thread in days.
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« Reply #91 on: June 16, 2006, 05:18:39 PM »
I'm not arguing whether a specific book should be allowed in the school library. Afterall, my kids are grown and what my grandkids read is not my responsibility. I'm arguing for parents to have the right to control what their kids read. Not everyone can afford private schools. Grant vouchers and the source of conflict likely goes away.
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« Reply #92 on: June 16, 2006, 05:42:39 PM »
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Will there be a sign at the entrance so everyone will know that those kids have (dun dun dunnnnnn) progressive parents?




hehe... this is the funniest thread in days.


I would imagine that in some towns around here the sign would read "Abandon all hope ye who enter here". ;)
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« Reply #93 on: June 16, 2006, 08:41:18 PM »
See Rule #4
« Last Edit: June 19, 2006, 01:09:57 PM by Skuzzy »
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« Reply #94 on: June 16, 2006, 09:51:27 PM »
Whoa, calm down.  Lots of shouting there.

If you disagree with me, it doesn't mean I'm some sort of 'conversational terrorist'.

I stand by my posts and invite you to provide a single instance of dishonesty in what I've written.  Something better than "But...  I just FEEL it!" please.
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« Reply #95 on: June 16, 2006, 10:34:08 PM »
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No way. When in Denmark, it was unusual to meet a girl that didn't have a kid before 20 - usually unmarried. Usually 2 kids. Stats quoted by Danish people to me when I mentioned it would have made that chart a blip. It was not on the order of <1 per 1000... it was on the order of 50-100 per 1000.


The pre 20 pregnancy rate among australopithecines was nearly 100%...  luckily for us.

We are still animals and the drive to procreate is inherent.  It is strongest when our hormones are the strongest... the teen years.  The social more has changed to make bad what is a natural occurance .
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« Reply #96 on: June 17, 2006, 07:34:09 AM »
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Can we stick to the facts? These parents are not asking for books to be banned from the school library. They are asking that their values be respected by allowing them some say over what their kids have access to in school.


When  granted their wish they also have some say over what others' kids have access to in school... Probably an added benefit in your opinion, keeping kids from being coorupted by that vile poison found in today's childrens and adolescent books.
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« Reply #97 on: June 17, 2006, 09:06:37 AM »
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When  granted their wish they also have some say over what others' kids have access to in school... Probably an added benefit in your opinion, keeping kids from being coorupted by that vile poison found in today's childrens and adolescent books.


That attitude has much in common with the attitude that has resulted in our standards sinking to the lowest level so that all children can meet that standard. The only way we can turn this around is for everyone to see the folly in it, set higher standards, and place the blame where it belongs. Those parents and kids who want to excel should be encouraged and supported.
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« Reply #98 on: June 17, 2006, 09:40:30 AM »
So you're flat out saying "Yeah, I _DO_ want to control how other people raise their kids".  With respect, what gives you that right?  Is it the bible?  

How would you feel if other people did that to you?
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« Reply #99 on: June 17, 2006, 09:46:27 AM »
I have no problem with letting adults read whatever they like.  I have no problem letting parents decide what children are exposed to.

I guess my point is about public schools tho...

If they are the only game in town and we are all forced to pay for them and nothing else and we are forced to send our children there then...

Public schools should do their best to give us our monies worth while at the same time..... stay neutral on any ethics or morality and not teach anything that might offend any segment of the population that is forced to use them.

This is not all that difficult and yet... they don't and won't do it.  Teachers investment in their own sainthood makes em feel obligated to indocrtinate.

The sole support by taxes of public schools needs to go away.  Truth is... a lot of teachers are very dedicated and fair but.... none are saints.   Some are of the worst humans on the planet.

The majority of the teachers do not share the morals and political views of the parents....

This is a recipe for conflict and is to be expected.

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« Reply #100 on: June 17, 2006, 09:49:00 AM »
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So you're flat out saying "Yeah, I _DO_ want to control how other people raise their kids".  With respect, what gives you that right?  Is it the bible?  

How would you feel if other people did that to you?


You're missing it completely. I want parents to have more say in how their kids are educated. I want standards raised. You don't don't want that in public schools? Fine, give us vouchers.
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« Reply #101 on: June 17, 2006, 09:53:15 AM »
I challenge your assertion that banning books "raises standards" in any measurable way.  Additionally, moving books on biology to a restricted shelf violates Lazs' professed desire for neutrality.

Have you even seen the book in the link I posted?  Or are you going off the description of the woman with the agenda?  She's fabricated things, like saying that it contains 'bestiality', what else is she lying about?
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« Reply #102 on: June 17, 2006, 10:08:32 AM »
Do they have relegious books?
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« Reply #103 on: June 17, 2006, 10:20:12 AM »
Seems like they should, any good reference library would have them.  Having the books in the library is not the same as having class prayer, I'd support it.
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« Reply #104 on: June 17, 2006, 11:08:05 AM »
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That attitude has much in common with the attitude that has resulted in our standards sinking to the lowest level so that all children can meet that standard. The only way we can turn this around is for everyone to see the folly in it, set higher standards, and place the blame where it belongs. Those parents and kids who want to excel should be encouraged and supported.


Nonsensical statement, it only shows something that you've been trying to masquerade through the entire thread. You don't want higher standards upheld. You want to uphold your standards, preferably for all and especially your moral standards, the rest is just a smokescreen...
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