Author Topic: Response to Al "Chicken Little" Gore (Read 4904 times)

lazs2 · « **Reply #60 on:** June 15, 2006, 02:38:38 PM »

forget it clifra.... these guys "want to believe" they like the drama and they like the religion of it.

For some of em.. a crisis makes their small problems even smaller..

For others... the evangelical complex appeals..

Still others seek out any opportunity to make others fell guilty..

Still others search for any excuse to tell others what to do.

Many simply use any excuse to blame the politics/policies of others.

athiesm and environmentalism are two of the sickest and least honest religions I have seen.

lazs

weaselsan · « **Reply #61 on:** June 15, 2006, 02:43:04 PM »

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Originally posted by Nash
Of course there are gonna be guys that are sceptical of global warming who aren't getting a paycheck from Exxon.

Maybe you shoulda looked to these Canadian and Finnish scientists in the first place.

But then, at least to my knowledge, they didn't write '"The Inconvenient Truth" is indeed inconvenient to alarmists,' attacking Gore's film... and... it woulda made your post a heck of a lot less interesting.... because there's already a massive thread here about global warming.

In otherwords (and it's okay, you can admit it), your thread was simply an attack on Gore irrespective of the actual science surounding his film, made obvious by the fact that you leapfrog off of an article attacking the film, whose author is a paid oil co. shill.

If you're interested in the science alone, why the new thread?

My thread WAS a direct response to Chicken Little's Movie..... What is needed in this debate are a few more facts on World climate change. The utter complete non-sense of statements such as " Bush's failure to sign Kyoto is a major cause of Global Warming is ridiculous. One, not ten, not twenty, but ONE US Senator has publicly stated they would vote for Kyoto. This may come as a shock to you but it would take 2/3 of the house and Senate to make Kyoto law. Al Gore would have had 0% chance of even getting anyone's attention on Kyoto had he been elected. Of all of the European Nations that adopted Kyoto only a small number have came even close to their target for greenhouse ommisions. That doesn't even take Asia especially China "Probably one of he biggest polluters in the World today" into account,since it will "pardon the pun" "be a cold day in Global Warming" before they would ever adopt an inept policy like Kyoto.

weaselsan · « **Reply #62 on:** June 15, 2006, 03:08:40 PM »

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Originally posted by beet1e
Actually the religious zealots believe the earh is only six thousand years old, not six million.

By religious zealots you mean Fundamentalists? They all believe the Earth is much older than 6 Million years, Where did you get the understanding the Earth was only 6 Million years old? Most take the Bible at face value, but almost all understand that it was written at a time when the written word was only available to an elite few. They would not understand the concept of Billions of years. As late as the 1400's they thought the earth was flat. They do all believe in a "Creator" They believe in the Divinity of Jesus Christ. I see you seem to have a problem with that.

Or do you mean Religious Zealots as in environmental wackos? No they think the Earth is only 6 Million years old.

beet1e · « **Reply #63 on:** June 15, 2006, 03:58:18 PM »

Yes, the Fundamentalists are the ones who believe the earth is only 6000 years old.

I have an interesting movie on DVD - a courtroom drama from c1960 called "Inherit the Wind", set in c1920. Apparently, the teaching of Darwin's theory of evolution was a criminal offence in the US at that time. This movie was all about the way the defence counsel (played by Spencer Tracy) got his client off the hook. The age of the earth came into it somewhere...

Divinity of Jesus Christ? I don't "have a problem" with any of that - I just couldn't give a monkey's arse about it - that's all. If not giving a monkey's arse consitutes "having a problem", then I guess I "have a problem". Unlikely though, as such a theory has as much credence as the belief that environmentalism = religion.

Shuckins · « **Reply #64 on:** June 15, 2006, 04:09:37 PM »

Beetle,

The teaching of Darwinism wasn't an offense in the United States in the 1920s, but in the state of Tennessee.

"Inherit the Wind" was very loosely based on the famous Scopes Monkey Trial. The real life lawyers involved in the case were Clarence Darrow, for the defence, and William Jennings Bryan for the prosecution.

While some left-wingers go all ga-ga over the triumph of Henry Drummond (Darrow) over Matthew Harrison Brady (Bryan), in fact the court records reveal that Bryan wasn't nearly the fanatical boob that the directors of the movie have portrayed him to be.

Regards, Shuckins

midnight Target · « **Reply #65 on:** June 15, 2006, 04:28:41 PM »

Evidence FOR global warming..

EPA

http://yosemite.epa.gov/oar/globalwarming.nsf/content/index.html

NOAA

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/globalwarming.html

Couple of real lefty wacko groups there.

Clifra Jones · « **Reply #66 on:** June 15, 2006, 04:29:49 PM »

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Originally posted by beet1e
Yes, the Fundamentalists are the ones who believe the earth is only 6000 years old.

Yes it is 6000 years. It is derived from the litany of all the begats from Adam through Abraham. It just shows the blind faith of fundamentalism.

The difference between them and those like me is that we don't give a rats arse what they believe and have no intention or wish to change their beliefs.

Nor do we wish to use the power of government(i.e. the muzzle of a gun) to enforce out beliefs on others.

lukster · « **Reply #67 on:** June 15, 2006, 04:41:10 PM »

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Originally posted by Clifra Jones
Yes it is 6000 years. It is derived from the litany of all the begats from Adam through Abraham. It just shows the blind faith of fundamentalism.

The difference between them and those like me is that we don't give a rats arse what they believe and have no intention or wish to change their beliefs.

Nor do we wish to use the power of government(i.e. the muzzle of a gun) to enforce out beliefs on others.

Not all, if even most, of Christians believe the earth to be only 6,000 years old. If it makes you feel superior to lump us all together then please enjoy your own blind fundamentalism.

Yeager · « **Reply #68 on:** June 15, 2006, 06:13:39 PM »

do you believe that the earth is 6000 years old luckster?

weaselsan · « **Reply #69 on:** June 15, 2006, 06:25:17 PM »

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Originally posted by Eagler

I think someone owes chicken little an apology

Your absolutly right. I should have wrote "with apologies to Chicken Little".

lukster · « **Reply #70 on:** June 15, 2006, 07:18:12 PM »

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Originally posted by Yeager
do you believe that the earth is 6000 years old luckster?

No, I think it is much older than that. How much I really haven't a clue. I have no problem believing it to be many millions of years old though.

Hangtime · « **Reply #71 on:** June 15, 2006, 07:33:12 PM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
Evidence FOR global warming..

EPA

http://yosemite.epa.gov/oar/globalwarming.nsf/content/index.html

NOAA

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/globalwarming.html

Couple of real lefty wacko groups there.

Total nutballs. NOAA doesn't even have a damn window.. screwed up forcasts are legend. The EPA is packed with puppets.. second only to the IRS for insanity in a beaurcracy.

Next.. YES the planet is warming up, and after awile it'll cool down. Natural cycles are part of nature.

lastly, in the absence of any kind of real policy or message, disenchanted knee-jerk 'democrats' are becoming desperate to latch on to something to use as a rally cry for votes.. so this is the new dogma for democrats.

"democrats want to stop global warming! republicans want to kill us all!

more scare politics. i'm sick of it.

grow up, grow a brain and grow a bit of common sense.

Nash · « **Reply #72 on:** June 15, 2006, 08:04:48 PM »

It's actually more than the EPA, and more than the NOAA, Hang.

It's the EPA, the NOAA, the IPCC, the National Academy of Sciences, the American Meteorological Society, the American Geophysical Union, the American Association for the Advancement of Science, among many, many others.

But go ahead, have fun with your science...

... and I'll wager on the pros.

Just like I do every time I step into a car, every time I pop an Advil, and every time a friend or relative goes under the knife. I'm too busy. I've got too much on my plate to have to second-guess the - oh, I don't know - overwhelming consensus of the scientific community.

Hangtime · « **Reply #73 on:** June 15, 2006, 08:08:59 PM »

The scientific community is staffed by an overwhelming number of folks that practice junk science on the government payroll.

It's how they get to keep their jobs. Toe the line.. or your out.

That's not a scientific community.. it's a freaking government orfice finishing academy.

lukster · « **Reply #74 on:** June 15, 2006, 08:14:57 PM »

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Originally posted by Nash
Just like I do every time I step into a car, every time I pop an Advil, and every time a friend or relative goes under the knife. I'm too busy. I've got too much on my plate to have to second-guess the - oh, I don't know - overwhelming consensus of the scientific community.

Believe what you want. You don't push your religion on me and I won't mine on you.