Why the Arabs Hate the Jews

[Gunthr]

 http://www.wwco.com/religion/docs/israel.html

An excerpt from this condensed historical explanation:

"Two thousand years ago the Romans committed a great wrong against the Jewish people. One hundred years ago the British made a promise that that wrong would be made right. Fifty years ago, after the Germans committed another great wrong against the Jewish people, the Americans tried to make up for it by honouring England's promise. In the process, they committed a great wrong against the Palestinians, who even today still sit shivering in their refugee camps.

The Palestinian Arabs hate the Jews for taking away their homes. The rest of the Arabs hate the Jews for taking away the homes of their brethren. All the Arabs hate the Americans for what they did to the Palestinians. So now today, in a region consisting of dozens of Muslim countries twice as wide as the United States, stretching from Morocco on the West coast of North Africa to Pakistan on the Indian Subcontinent, everyone speaks a form of Arabic, obeys Islamic law and worships a single god most recently revealed to him by Muhammad the last Prophet...
...everyone, that is, except for those living on one tiny little strip of land, forty-seven miles long.

For two thousand years the people there also spoke Arabic, obeyed Islamic law and worshipped the god most recently revealed by Muhammad. Now, however, those people are shivering in camps on the borders of what used to be their land. Today the people on that strip of land speak Hebrew, follow Talmudic law and worship the god of Abraham, Isaac, Rebecca and Sarah.

It has been suggested that there are historical parallels between the Arab-Israeli situation and the plight of the native inhabitants of North America (Native Americans / American Indians). Very few people are suggesting today that everyone whose ancestors came to North America after A.D. 1500 should go back where they came from so that the Native Americans can have their lands back. Why, then, was Palestine "returned" to the Jews? We were all taught as children that two wrongs don't make a right, so why did the U.S. try to right a two-thousand-year-old historical wrong by wronging the Palestinians?

Such speculation, however, is merely crying over historically spilt milk: wouldn't removing the Israelis yet again, or blasting them out of existence as the Arabs tried so many times to do, simply be more of the same? Viewing the Middle East as it is today, should we not seek to learn from the mistakes of the past? Shouldn't we seek to learn not only from the mistakes of the Romans and the Nazis, but also from the mistakes we ourselves as Americans made a mere half-century ago when we sought to offer a quick fix to someone else's problems?

Good intentions are not enough; surely only listening to and understanding the problems of those who must LIVE there, and then giving help IF it is requested, will finally bring peace.
Brian Chenault http://www.wwco.com/religion/docs/israel.html


Gunthr

[funked]

Yep.  

[Naso]

Wise, wise words.

[F4UDOA]

Gunthr,

You are so uninformed I cannot find a word to describe your ignorance.

1. Yes, Israel is the historic home of the Jews. Be it 2,000 years ago or 50years ago it is the Jewish homeland. When does that time expire? Who makes that decision??

2. There is no such thing as a palistinian. It is a fictional name of an area on a map that has never been under the rule of a Palistian people. They were controlled by the British, Turkish and Germans over the past several hundred years. If there ever was a Palestine where were they in 1948?
How come the Israelies fought the Egyptions in 1956? Were was the Goverment and military of Palistine?

3. Why the Arabs including the Palistinians really hate the Jews. Because their religions leaders call for hatered as a means to control their people. There are many Holey places in Jeruselam to both Jews and Christians. They have been there for over 2,000years. About three hundred years ago the Arabs decided to build a Cemetary on top of one of the most Holy sites in Jewish history which is the gated entrance to old Jeruselam and then they Built the giant Gold Mosque on top of the Old Jewish temple known today as the Wailing(SP) wall. This is the same place were the Arabs start every riot you see on TV including the entire last series of riots. What do you think would happen if the Jews built anything on top of a moslum Holy site?

3. About Murder. Through out the History of Jews in the Middle east they have been murdered at the hands of arabs. What was there excuse then? In the 1920's and 30's their were famous slaughters of Jewish families living in the middle east. By the thousands. When the Nazi regiem took over in late 30's and 40's the arabs helped them round up them Jews and actively took part in murderous rampages through jewish settlements. What was the cause of the hatered then Gunthr???

4. The land of Israel is the size of Deleware. A 6 hour drive tip to tip. Mostly arid but with some dense forrest mixed in. Most of this land was completely uninhabited at the time of the creation of the Jewish state. In fact much of the land was already in the hands of Jewish families who had been there for years. When the Jewish homeland was declared they were immediately attacked by Egypt because there was no Palistine to protest. The Jews did not take Jeruselam until after they were attacked and repelled the surronding arab nations.  

4. When the Jordanian Government gave the Palistinian people a home in Jordan in the 1970's Yasser Araphat repayed King Hussien with trying to kill him and over through his government. Then he struck a deal with Syria to invade Jordan to help him. King Hussien then called the Israelies to help him. The Israeli Air force did a fly by over the columns of Syrian tanks on there way to Jordan when they saw the IAF. At which time they turned around and went home without a shot being fired. The PLO was evicted from Jordan immediately afterword by an Arab nation.

4. There are many arabs still living peacfully in Israel. There communities are independant and untouched by the Israelies or their goverment. Their are an entire group of arabs that serve in the Israeli army known as Drews Arabs. They support a democratic goverment. There is a large black population in Israel from the Ethiopean airlift in the 1980's. As well as Spanish, French and German. Would this be possible in an Arab nation?

5. The majority of the PLO is made up of mercinaries from other countries. They use children as human shields and then cry like babies when they get shot. You can see a number of small children on the news every night holding AK-47's. They are the modern Hitler youth.

6.If you think the Arabs Bomb the US because they don't like Israel you are crazy. They have Bombed the French and the Germans. Two countries that do not qualify as freinds of Israel. They hate you and your western philosophy. Remember the Pograms and Crusades were wars between Arabs and Christians. Not Jews.

7. Gunthr, I don't know your political ideology but your screen name combined with your ignorance does not show well for you. I think you need to visit this part of the world before drawing such judgements.

Funked, What is your position on this. I am not clear??

F4UDOA

[Udie]

Wasn't Jordan supposed to take all the Pallestinians?  The land that's being faught over now, didn't Isreal win the land in the '73 war which they didn't start?  These aren't smart arse questions, I realy want to know...


Udie

[F4UDOA]

Udie,

Good questions.

Yes, Jordan did take the Palistinians.
But then Yasser Arafat Plotted with Syria to assainate King Hussien and take over Jordan. Nice way to say thankyou?

Syria launched a column of Tanks toward Jordan and King Hussien who was wounded and his body guards dead pleaded to the US for help. Nixon said no, call the Israelies. At the last minute Hussien did just that and the Israeli Air Force did a fly by over the Columns of Syrian Tanks. Without a shot being firing Sryia's leader King Assad turned tail and headed home. The Palestinians were imediately evicted from Jordan. This Bond with Isreal cost Jordan and King Hussien deeply. He survived many assasination attempts since then until his recent death.

When Egypt signed a peace treaty with Israel Egypts president Anwar Sadat was proptly assasinated.

And yes Israel took control of the Golan heights as well as the Suez canal from Egypt and much of the West bank were many Arabs now live. The Soviets threatened invasion and possible Nuclear weapons use during this time if the Israelies did not surrender the Suez canal. Nixon asked the Israelies to give it back and they did. As well as much of the West Bank since that time. It is called Jericho and is the home of Yasser Arafat himself and is under Palistinian control. The Israelies have refused to give back the Golan because it over looks densly populated area's of the country and is the strategic high ground between Syria and Israel. One look at this area and it's military significance is obvious. I assure you if the Iraelies had kept the Suez canal Gasoline would be allot cheaper than what you are paying now.

And yes Egypt, Syria and Jordan attacked Israel on the Holyest day on the Jewish calender, Yom Kippor. It is known as the Yom Kippor war.

What I have not said is that I have family in Israel and in Jeruselam. I have seen this country top to bottom as recently as this past August. It is not what is portrayed on TV. In fact it is the most social place with the most crowded topless beaches I have ever seen. It is a thriving modern culture with heavy investments from the likes of SAP, Microsoft and others. Most of all it is safe.
Israel does not have the death penalty, and does not cut peoples hands off for petty crime. It is however an oasis in a cultural desert. It is a democracy and defends itself as any soveriegn Nation would. And most of all it is willing to give the Palistinian people what they want, a homeland inclusive of part of Jeruselam. But when peace was close the real Palistinians showed up.
Their goal is not to regain their homeland. It is the elimination of all other ethnic cultures from what they believe is their land. Jewish and Christian alike. If you think this would end without an Israel you are sadly misinformed.

Thanks
F4UDOA


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[easymo]

 If history has proven anything, its that we like to kill each other. Any excuse will do. And religion has been used many times. The existence of this game, to a small degree, proves that part of our nature.

 Since the 60,s Hollywood has stressed the senselessness of war, yet at the same time provided us with an endless stream of cinematic bloodshed.

 From personal experience. I can tell you. Combat is a rush. It is very exciting. I felt totally  comfortable in 1968 Viet Nam. It was the only time in my life that I quit smoking, and stopped biting my nails.

 I truly enjoyed combat. And like countless solders before me, have felt tremendous guilt for feeling that way. Such is the nature of man, I suppose.

 Until we are able to control our nature. All this political philosophy, is just so much rationalization for doing what mankind has always done.

[Gunthr]

QUOTE:

7. Gunthr, I don't know your political ideology but your screen name combined with your ignorance does not show well for you. I think you need to visit this part of the world before drawing such judgements


F4UDOA, my name is Stephen Guenther, thus "Gunthr".

I got this name from my father, Hermann Guenther. I am German descent. This is not relevent at all.

I just wanted to share a condensed history of the region with others like me who may wonder what all the insanity is all about.

Most of this is nuetral information. I'm still forming my own opinion, but it looks like my final view will differ a bit from yours, at least insofar as level of US involvement is concerned.

 
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[Eagler]

 

Originally posted by F4UDOA:
Udie,

Good questions.

Yes, Jordan did take the Palestinians.
But then Yasser Arafat Plotted with Syria to assainate King Hussien and take over Jordan. Nice way to say thank you?

Another reason to trust ole big lips


When Egypt signed a peace treaty with Israel Egypt president Anwar Sadat was promptly assassinated.

I'm sure Arafat had nothing to do with this either

The Israelis have refused to give back the Golan because it over looks densely populated area's of the country and is the strategic high ground between Syria and Israel. One look at this area and it's military significance is obvious.

can't blame them for this considering the hatred of their neighbors


What I have not said is that I have family in Israel and in Jerusalem. I have seen this country top to bottom as recently as this past August. It is not what is portrayed on TV. In fact it is the most social place with the most crowded topless beaches I have ever seen. It is a thriving modern culture with heavy investments from the likes of SAP, Microsoft and others. Most of all it is safe.
Israel does not have the death penalty, and does not cut peoples hands off for petty crime. It is however an oasis in a cultural desert. It is a democracy and defends itself as any sovereign Nation would. And most of all it is willing to give the Palestinian people what they want, a homeland inclusive of part of Jerusalem. But when peace was close the real Palestinians showed up.
Their goal is not to regain their homeland. It is the elimination of all other ethnic cultures from what they believe is their land. Jewish and Christian alike.

Sounds like Germany in WW2  (Image removed from quote.)

If you think this would end without an Israel you are sadly misinformed.

Thanks
F4UDOA

thanks for the insight F4UDOA. Very informative. Hope your relative stay safe.

Eagler

[funked]

You've made up your mind, I've made up mine.  Any discussion is just going to make us both angry.

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[Gunthr]

I regret the title of this post. I just cut and pasted. Reading over from F4U's viewpoint I can see how it might be taken as hostile to Jews, and I didn't intend that. If I could re-post it, I would title it, "How the problems between the Jews and the Arabs Began."

Sorry if I hurt feelings, didn't mean to.

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[leonid]

Actually, throughout history the Islamic world have always been tolerant of Jews who were 'people of the Book', so to speak.  In fact, there are many occasions in medeival history when Islamic kingdoms became sanctuaries for Jews, because of western Christian persecution, ie  pogroms.  It was only when the Zionist party movement pushed for a Zion state, then pushed Jews into colonizing that state that the trouble began.  I read that many Jewish colonists were shocked when they reached Palestine, because unlike what they had been told by the Zionist party there were in fact a lot of people living in Palestine already.  Hence, the Palestinian exodus.

I know I'm about to be burned alive, but I felt I should put it out there.

[easymo]

 Well load up the APC leonid, thats good enough for me.

[F4UDOA]

Leonid,

Muslims and Jews have had their history's cross for centuries. Fo the most part things have gone well historically. Jews and Moslem lived together inside the walled city of Jerusalem during the crusades. Even in Israel today exist the Drews Arabs who choose to fight for Israel and who are active in the Israeli Army. However when the Jews tried to establish a homeland amoung 100,000,000, yes one hundred million arabs then the walls came crumbling down. The Muslim extremist do not only fight a war against Jews but against all of western culture. That's why Yasser Arafat will never be happy regardless of any deal made. Nothing short of the anialation of not only the Jewish state but any hint of Judeo-christian culture. This is about more than Arabs and Jews. When that is made clear the rest is easy.

F4UDOA

[F4UDOA]

Gunthr,

I am also sorry for any comments I may have made that were offensive. I am an emotional person and I react to quickly with my judgements at times.

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F4UDOA