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Offline Ripsnort

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« on: October 30, 2000, 10:28:00 AM »
   
FICTION:
Al Gore recently claimed that his  mother-in-law pays more than
$100 for the arthritis medicine Lodine; and he claims that his dog takes
 the same medicine for $37.00, claiming "This is wrong!"
FACT:
Gore's aides were quick to apologize for  Gore's lie, saying the
information was from a Democratic study. Washington newspapers also
reported that Al Gore wasn't even sure his mother-in-law was taking any
medication and wasn't even sure she had arthritis. And, he doesn't know
anything about his dog's "arthritis".

FICTION:
Al Gore said his father, a senator, was a  champion of civil
rights during the 1960's.
FACT:
Gore's father voted against the landmark Civil Rights Act of 1964
and was a racist who was fond of using the "N" word.

FICTION:
Al Gore said that his sister was the very first person to join
the  Peace Corps.
FACT:
By the time Gore's sister joined the Peace Corps, there were
already over 100 members.

FICTION:
The same sister died of lung cancer years  later and Gore vowed
to never accept tobacco money as campaign contributions.
FACT:
Just four years later, while campaigning for office, Gore spoke to
the tobacco industry and said he was one of them because "I've planted
it, raised it, cut it, and dried it." He raised over $100,000 in "reported"
contributions.

FICTION:
While running for office, Gore's campaign literature claimed he
was a "Brilliant Student".
FACT:
Washington newspapers said he barely passed Harvard and
consistently earned D's and C's.

FICTION:
 Gore claims an extensive knowledge of law  as a result of his
extensive study at law school.
FACT:
Al Gore dropped out of law school.

FICTION:
Gore claimed that his knowledge of God  and spirituality came
to complete fruition while "finishing" divinity school.
FACT:
 Al Gore dropped out of divinity school.

FICTION: Al Gore claimed responsibility for  inventing the Internet in
the 1990's.
FACT : Shocked scientists were quick to speak out, explaining that the
Internet had been in widespread use by government and educational
institutions since the early 1970's.

FICTION: Al Gore claimed the book "Love Story" was based on his life and
Tipper's.
FACT: Author Erich Segal called a press conference to deny his claim.
(Couldn't he at least lie about a love story where his sweetheart doesn't
die? )

 FICTION : Gore claimed that as a reporter for a Nashville newspaper, his
stories led to the arrests of numerous corrupt  criminals.
FACT: He later apologized for his claim and  actually said it was untrue
(Also known as lying).

FICTION: Gore claims to increase diversity in the  staff that follows
him daily, especially among blacks.
FACT: Black members of the Secret Service are  suing because they claim
they are not being promoted to positions guarding the Vice-President.

FICTION: Al Gore said he was the first to discover  the Love Canal
nuclear accident.
FACT: The incident was already discovered, being  investigated, and
covered widely in the press for many months before Gore was aware of it.

FICTION: Gore said just recently that if elected  president, he would
put  harsh sanctions on the sleazy producers of  Hollywood's extreme 
sex and violence.
FACT: Just six days later, Gore attended a  fundraiser by Hollywood
producers and radical gay activists where he told  them that he would
only pretend to "nudge them" if elected. He raised over $4 million.

FICTION: Al Gore said he built his Tennessee home  with his bare hands.
FACT : Totally false!

FICTION: Al Gore says parents should not have a  choice between private
and public schools because public schools are far better.
TRUTH : Al Gore attended private school and he has sent his children to
private schools.

FICTION: Al Gore remembers his mother lulling him  to sleep as a baby by
singing the popular ditty, "Wear The Union Label".
FACT: The popular ditty was created by the unions when Gore was 27 years
old.

FICTION: Al Gore claimed to co-sponsor the  McCain-Feingold Campaign
Reform Act.
FACT: The Act was not sponsored until he had been out of office for over
a year.

FICTION: Al Gore claims to be instrumental in  keeping gas prices low.
FACT: Gore has voted on numerous occasions to  raise the tax on
gasoline.
In his book "Earth In The Balance" Gore claims that the nation's Number
One enemy is the internal combustion engine. (That's the motor in your
vehicle that gets you to work and takes your kids to  school)

FICTION: Gore pretends to champion the rights of poor women to be tested
regularly for breast cancer with the most modern technology.
FACT: While giving a speech on the subject in  September, Gore didn't
know what a mammogram was.

FICTION: AL Gore promised Florida's senior citizens that they would
finally have low-cost drugs with no interference from government.
FACT: Gore's plan calls for the creation of a huge federal agency that
 would  tell you which doctor you are allowed to see in order to get the
"special  rates".

FACT: Al Gore told NBC's Lisa Meyers that he had never told a lie. When
Meyers pressed harder, "You've never told a lie?!"  Gore said, "Not that
I know of.    " SOUND FAMILIAR?

Election Day is ticking away.



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« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2000, 11:10:00 AM »
Rip (you mean ole Republican)

Sounds like he's qualified to follow in Clinton's footsteps to me  

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« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2000, 11:43:00 AM »
Oh, God!!

I hope the US elections come quick!!  

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« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2000, 12:05:00 PM »
Yup.  One week Naso.  I'll be working the polls (it's volunteer work here, we don't get paid).  Still, I'm seriously considering not actually voting.

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« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2000, 12:58:00 PM »
Fiction: Al Gore is genuine and sincere.

Fact: Al Gore has a great future in infomercials.



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« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2000, 01:02:00 PM »
Rip I knew there was a reason I liked you.

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« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2000, 01:26:00 PM »
Fiction:
All of those statements are well researched and factual.

Fact:
Those statements are easily disproven misrepresentations authored by the RNC and blindly passed on by a press corp that is afraid of being labeled "liberal".

I, in fact, posted a link here not too long ago that contained documented rebuttals to those statements.  Here it is again:

The New Science of Character Assasination

Included in that rebuttal is the fact that the RNC relies on gullible people, like Ripsnort here, to pass on its lies as fact.

So, Ripsnort, I CHALLENGE you to Tell the truth

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« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2000, 01:33:00 PM »
Karnak, what more do you want?  All this has been recorded on A)Television, or B)Radio waves, and no one was pretending to be Gore, it really was his words, I'm not going to get every voice wav file of the past, if you didn't view it, or hear it yourself, then too bad.

BTW, the "liberal" press is finally figuring out what a disaster it would be to have Gore in office, that's why they are reluctantly not pushing Gore as much as they had.

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« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2000, 02:05:00 PM »
Karnak using a lie to cover a lie doesn't make the first lie true.

Clinton/Gore have been caught in to many lies to believe ANYTHING they say.

You can believe in him if you want but I think I'm going to be one of the gullible who votes for Bush.
I have been reborn a new man!

Notice I never said a better man.

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« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2000, 02:34:00 PM »
Umm...
First of all, ignoring Karnak's evidence won't get you anywhere.
Secondly, claiming Bush to be a person of integrity is ludicrous.
Third, do you think it really matters whether you vote for Kang or Kodos?

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« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2000, 02:47:00 PM »
Karnak, <S>

Websites abound that cater to each candidate, that supposedly expose each candidate's faults and screw ups. Much of the stuff is true, too. Like the following:

Daily Town Hall Meetings

"I certainly learned a great deal from 3,000 town hall meetings across my home state of Tennessee over a 16-year period" - Al Gore,in Congress, speaking to NPR’s Bob Edwards.
Do the math. That’s 187 town hall meetings per year, or a meeting in Tennessee every other day for 16 years, including weekends, holidays, vacations, and time spent running for president in 1988 and for vice president in 1992.
(Source: ]http://www.cei.org/UpdateReader.asp?ID=777)
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One can attempt to make excuses about why Gore said this or that, or minimize the importance of a single incident, but the body of evidence is growing. And hasn't the Democratic party itself acknowledged that Gore has a credibility problem??

Gore obviously doesn't operate from an inner principle, and he's so contemptuous of us that he continues to make off the cuff statements like the one above.

When Gore was grilled on one of his most shamefull lies, the one where he used his sister's death by cancer as an opportunity to make an impassioned speach about how he will never accept tobacco money, yet subsequently got over his grief and took tobacco money, Gore answered the following:


"Sometimes, you never fully face up to things that you ought to face up to."

-- Al Gore, discussing why he accepted checks from his family tobacco farm and contributions from tobacco companies for years after the tragic death of his sister that he spoke about so emotionally at the 1996 Democratic convention.
(Source: "'Numbness' Let Gore Accept Tobacco Help," San Francisco Chronicle, August 30, 1996)

Karnak, it's gonna be kind of hard to package this guy, and give him a new image in time for the election. Gore should have just stuck with the truth.

"When I speak I put on a mask. When I act, I am forced to take it off."  - Helvetius 18th Century

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« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2000, 02:52:00 PM »
Ripsnort,

Read the article I linked too.  Its not lies.

Just because something is on TV or radio doesn't make it true.  Conservatives have been harping about that for a long time, now that you like the lies doesn't make them suddenly true.

I have no problem with things that Gore diddlyed up on being reported, but lies don't cut it.

I could post all sorts of misrepresentations of Bush, but I won't because I believe that is slimy.

The truth is what we need.  From that we can make up our minds.

Mighty1,
I didn't cover a lie with a lie.  The stuff I post is the truth.  It isn't necessarily what people want to hear, but it is the truth.  Neither Al Gore or George Bush are out to ruin the US because they a power hungry.  I think they both want to make things better.  Its just a matter of which has better ideas.

BTW, Voting for Bush doesn't make you gullible.  Passing on RNC or DNC lies makes one gullible.


Examples:

Claim:
FICTION: Al Gore claimed responsibility for  inventing the Internet in
the 1990's.
FACT : Shocked scientists were quick to speak out, explaining that the
Internet had been in widespread use by government and educational
institutions since the early 1970's.

Reality
So when Mr. Gore said in an interview with CNN in March 1999
  that "during my service in the United States Congress, I took
  the initiative in creating the Internet", Senator Trent Lott of
  Mississippi, the majority leader, issued this mocking statement:
  "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the
  initiative in creating the paper clip".

The problem, of course, was that Gore's claim was correct.  As the
Internet's scientific leaders attest, often heatedly, Gore recognized
the significance of the Internet very early, and took the initiative
in doing the political work and articulating the public vision that
made the Internet possible.  His sentence, which is often not quoted
in its entirety, makes perfectly clear that he was talking about the
work he did in the context of his Congressional service, and that he
is not claiming, ridiculously, to have done the technical work as well.
Mitchell shades the story by omitting the Republicans' (and media's)
most common distortion of the matter, that Gore claimed to have invented
the Internet.  This falsehood has been repeated on literally hundreds of
occasions, and George W. Bush routinely uses it in his speeches.

   http://chicagotribune.com/news/metro/chicago/printedition/article/0,2669,SAV-0008220064,FF.html
   http://commons.somewhere.com/rre/2000/RRE.campaign.lunacy.html
   http://commons.somewhere.com/rre/2000/RRE.Al.Gore.and.the.Inte.html

Claim
FICTION: Al Gore said he was the first to discover  the Love Canal
nuclear accident.
FACT: The incident was already discovered, being  investigated, and
covered widely in the press for many months before Gore was aware of it.

Reality
Gore told some students in New Hampshire the story of a Tennessee
community activist who brought his attention to a toxic dump, whereupon
he looked for other examples, found Love Canal, and held the first
hearings on the issue.  "Journalists" first misquoted him as having
claimed to to have started the issue, when in fact he was giving credit
to the activists.  Even when the misquotation was grudgingly corrected,
they continued to distort his words, as if he were claiming to have
discovered the toxic pollution at Love Canal.

"Found "Love Canal", as in: Found records of it as another example of polution, not found it as in:  Personally located the pollution himself.

Claim
FICTION: Al Gore claimed the book "Love Story" was based on his life and
Tipper's.
FACT: Author Erich Segal called a press conference to deny his claim.
(Couldn't he at least lie about a love story where his sweetheart doesn't
die? )

Reality

... in December 1997 ... the [Republican National] committee announced
  it had started a contest to come up with a slogan for Mr. Gore after
  he told reporters that the hero and heroine in the novel "Love Story"
  were modeled after him and his wife, Tipper.  (Erich Segal, the
  author, soon said that his protagonist, Oliver Barrett IV, was only
  partly based on Mr. Gore, while Jenny Cavilleri had nothing to do with
  Tipper Gore.)

In this case, the RNC's claim was false.  Gore had not told anyone that
Love Story was based on him and his wife.  Rather, he had mentioned a
newspaper article that had inaccurately said that, and was carefully to
say that he only had the article's word to go on.  Observe that Mitchell
repeats the RNC's false account, and then (following the longstanding
convention) makes it sound as though Segal was contradicting Gore, when
in fact he was defending him.  The false "Love Story" store continues to
be repeated to the present day.

 http://www.dailyhowler.com/h092800_1.shtml


What we can see from this is that quotes taken out of context or slightly altered make a huge difference.

I'm not saying "Don't hate Al Gore", I'm saying "If you want to hate Al Gore, hate hime for real reasons, not for things that aren't true".

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« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2000, 03:24:00 PM »
Karnak
Can't believe you don't see the consistent inconsistencies of Gore's statements. There  is a troublesome pattern here. Not mention his political contribution pandering he did for his mentor Clinton, many of which were illegal. You can't say that if both he and Clinton were Republicans, the media wouldn't of ripped them to shreds -  Monica to China to political contributions illegally based.

Now I hear Clinton wants an apology from the Republicans for his impeachment! Excuse me, who lied under oath ?(the other shoe hasn't fallen on that yet) The nerve of these two and the Democrats is insulting as it portrays a gullible and ignorant American public. They should apologize to us!!!!!

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« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2000, 04:00:00 PM »
A Lifetime of Lies
It's time to hold Al Gore accountable.

BY WILLIAM J. BENNETT
Wednesday, October 11, 2000 12:01 a.m. EDT

Albert Arnold Gore Jr. is a habitual liar.

I realize that in the political culture in which we live, making such a charge--even if it is true--is considered to be mean-spirited, in bad form, indecorous. Nevertheless, as the Founders understood, almost nothing matters more in a chief executive than his public character and trustworthiness, his truthfulness and integrity. And on these grounds alone, Mr. Gore should be disqualified from being president.

Mr. Gore's defenders dismiss his reputation as an "embellisher" as unremarkable. Shading the truth, they say, is what almost all politicians do, and Al Gore is no different. Let us assume, for the sake of the argument, that from time to time most politicians do take liberties with the truth and distort the facts. Still, among major political figures in the past quarter-century, Al Gore and his boss, Bill Clinton, are in a league of their own.

The vice president lies reflexively, promiscuously, even pathologically. He lies on matters large and small, significant and trivial, when he "needs" to and when he doesn't, on matters public and private, about his opponents and his family. When asked to come up with an explanation for Mr. Gore's "misstatements," Art Torres, chairman of the California Democratic Party, said, "I have no idea. I'm not a psychiatrist."

Mr. Gore has told so many lies, over so many years, on such a range of issues, that to recount them all would require far more space than this page can allow. But it is useful to recapitulate some of what we know.
Most recently, Mr. Gore lied about traveling to Texas with the head of the Federal Emergency Management Agency and about whether he'd questioned George W. Bush's experience to be president. In a speech during which he received the endorsement of the Teamsters, Mr. Gore claimed that as a child he was lulled to sleep by the union ballad "Look for the Union Label"--even though the tune was written when he was 27 years old. His campaign initially said Mr. Gore meant a different song; a few days later they said the vice president was telling a joke.

These examples are recent, but the pattern of lies is not a recent phenomenon. It is, rather, the habit of a political lifetime. Consider the following:

In 1997, Mr. Gore told investigators that fund-raising calls he made from the White House were made only in order to raise (legal) soft-money donations. When a memorandum later surfaced and disclosed that the vice president had attended meetings in which discussions about (illegal) "hard money" accounts took place, Mr. Gore told the Federal Bureau of Investigation that he was sometimes inattentive and that "he drank a lot of iced tea during meetings, which could have necessitated a restroom break."

Former White House Chief of Staff Leon Panetta said in a deposition that he remembers Mr. Gore "attentively listening" to the hard-money conversations, and former White House Deputy Chief of Staff Harold Ickes testified that whenever the vice president left the room, he, Mr. Ickes, stopped the meetings. In light of the evidence, FBI General Counsel Larry Parkinson wrote to the assistant attorney general that there was "sufficient evidence" to prove that the vice president made a false statement to investigators on this matter.

In an April 18 deposition conducted by Robert Conrad, the chief of the Justice Department's campaign-finance task force, Mr. Gore was asked if he had any recollection of conversations he had with his old friend, Democratic fund-raiser Maria Hsia, about a 1996 fund-raising breakfast for Asian-Americans at the Hay-Adams Hotel in Washington. "I have none," Mr. Gore responded. He was then asked if he recalled being seated at her table. "No, I don't," he answered. In fact, as photos show, Hsia (convicted of illegally raising $25,000 for the Democratic National Committee at the breakfast) was seated right next to Mr. Gore.

During the same April 18 deposition, the vice president denied having a "concrete recollection" of his attendance at any of the more than 30 fund-raising coffees he hosted or co-hosted between January 1995 and August 1996 (Mr. Gore later said he misunderstood the question). He claims that he did not know at the time that a 1996 event at a Buddhist Temple in Los Angeles was an (illegal) fund-raiser. He says this despite the fact that the Secret Service, the National Security Council, the White House deputy chief of staff, staff members, and his own e-mail referred to it as a fund-raiser before the visit occurred.

In November 1999, Mr. Gore claimed to be a co-sponsor of the McCain-Feingold campaign-finance reform legislation. But that bill was not introduced until three years after Mr. Gore left the Senate. And during the same month the vice president claimed to be the author of the Earned Income Tax Credit. In fact, the EITC law was enacted in 1975--two years before Mr. Gore entered Congress.

The misleading statements predate Mr. Gore's term as vice president. They include his claims about his service as an Army journalist in Vietnam; his work as a reporter at the Nashville Tennessean; his view regarding Senate hearings on music lyrics; his position on the nuclear test ban treaty; his assertion (made during the 1988 presidential campaign) that half his staff were women; and his role in Hubert Humphrey's 1968 convention speech. These and other incidents led Mr. Gore's own staff to warn him about his propensity for "exaggeration" and for making claims that "may be impossible to back up."

One might think that the Gore campaign would be vaguely embarrassed about his record of deception. But Gore aide Mark Fabiani refuses to explain it. Rather, he says, "We've never attacked Bush for his numerous crimes against the English language." This is a revealing statement; the Gore team views poor syntax as the equivalent of compulsive lying. And Mr. Gore himself dismisses concerns about his veracity as an "ad hominem personal attack." We hear this argument made all the time, that "attacking" an opponent's character is a way to avoid talking about the "real issues." If Mr. Gore invokes this defense in tonight's debate, how should Mr. Bush respond?

First, by pointing out that persistent lies by a person in high public office are not merely "personal"; they have to do with the public interest. Public office is a public trust, and people who violate it ought to be held accountable--particularly if they deceive federal investigators.

Second, if the people can't trust your word, why should they trust your proposals? Mr. Gore's primary opponent, Sen. Bill Bradley, uttered the single most devastating line of the 2000 campaign: "Why should we believe that you will tell the truth as president if you don't tell the truth as a candidate?"

Third, if an individual is a habitual liar, it will manifest itself in all sorts of ways. As Mr. Clinton demonstrated, a person who has utter contempt for the truth is likely to have utter contempt for the law.

Fourth, the American public's loss of trust in government is a vital national issue. We don't need another president to deepen further the people's cynicism.

Finally, whether you're talking about a police officer, a teacher, a doctor or a car mechanic, it matters greatly whether that person's word is good. If it matters for all these people, then it surely matters in choosing a president.

James Madison famously wrote that men are not angels, and nobody is insisting that the president be a saint. But with Mr. Gore, one begins to suspect that his lies are symptomatic of something fundamentally disquieting, and quite relevant. This is, after all, an individual who has been warned repeatedly to take care not to lie, embellish, or misstate the facts and his own history. He is acknowledged to be a master of details. Yet the problem persists. His lying appears to be incorrigible. And it is a matter of public record.

If the Clinton years have taught us anything, it is that character matters in a president. And Al Gore, like Bill Clinton before him, is manifestly lacking in that regard. As the public considers for whom it will vote on Nov. 7, it should recall the old adage: Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me. Surely the past eight years of persistent half-truths, lies and lawlessness have been enough.

Haven't they?

Mr. Bennett is co-director of Empower America.

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« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2000, 04:14:00 PM »
Who are Bush and Gore, again?
War! Never been so much fun. War! Never been so much fun! Go to your brother, Kill him with your gun, Leave him lying in his uniform, Dying in the sun.