Hurricane

[rogerdee]

amazing  find  a plane that isnt american  and because it fly well  and in real life at the time it was  built some says it has to be wrong.

Not everything that flew good was  american,they just like to think so

[BlauK]

Pooface,
how do you define "most maneuverable"? .. smallest turn circle? fastest 360deg turn? fastest roll?

I find it fairly hard to believe that there would not have been some bi-plane fighters which were "more maneuverable" at that time.

[SpiveyCH]

This was taken from the book, "Fighting Aircraft of WW2."


Development:  Until well into 1941 the Hurricane was by far the most numerous of the RAF's combat aircraft and it bore the brunt of the early combats with the Luftwaffe over France and Britain.  Designed by Camm as a Fury Monoplane, with Goshawk engine and spatted landing gear, it was altered on the drawing board to have the more powerful PV.12 (Merlin) and inwards-retracting gear and, later, to have not four machine guns but the unprecedented total of eight.  The Air Ministry wrote Specicication F.36/34 around it and after tests with the prototype ordered the then-fantastic total of 600 in June 1936.  In September 1939 the 497 delivered equipped 18 squadrons and by 7 August 1940 no fewer than 2,309 had been delivered, compared with 1,383 Spitfires, equipping 32 squadrons, compared with 18 1/2 Spitfire Squadrons.  Gloster's output in 1940 was 130 per month.  By this time the Hurricane I was in service with new metal-skinned wings, instead of fabric, and three-blade variable pitch (later constant-speed) propeller instead of the wooden Watts two-blader.  In the hectic days of 1940 the Hurricane was found to be an ideal bomber destroyer, with steady sighting and devastating cone of fire; turn radius was better than that of any other monoplane fighter, but the all-round performance of the Bf-109E was considerably higher.  The more powerful Mk II replaced the 1,030hp Merlin II by the 1,280hp Merlin XX and introduced new armament and drop tanks.  In North West Europe it became a ground-attack aircraft, and in North Africa a tank-buster with 40mm guns.  While operating from merchant-ship catapults and carriers it took part in countless fleet-defence actions, the greatest being the defence of the August 1942 Malta convoy, when 70 Sea Hurricanes fought off more than 600 Axis attackers, destroying 39 for the loss of seven fighters.  The Hurricane was increasingly transfered to the far east, Africa and other theatres, and 2,952 were dispatched to the Soviet Union, some receiving skis.  Hurricanes were used for many special trials of armament and novel flight techniques (one having a jettisonable biplane upper wing).  Total production amounted to 12,780 in Britain and 1,451 in Canada (after 1941 with Packard Merlins) and many hundreds were exported both before and after World War II.

[storch]

the hurricane also used rag construction the 20mm's would push through and not detonate unless the hit something solid.  it was a well built, rugged airplane.  what it shouldn't be able to do is retain E as well as it does in this game.  it's a fantasy model like the P38s, the 110s and others I don't recall.  here's the rub the wwii guys didn't fly around with a red tag pointing to their location and the bad guy didn't have a leupold 4x12 scope to sight you in with either.

[Karnak]

Originally posted by storch
the hurricane also used rag construction the 20mm's would push through and not detonate unless the hit something solid.  it was a well built, rugged airplane.  what it shouldn't be able to do is retain E as well as it does in this game.  it's a fantasy model like the P38s, the 110s and others I don't recall.  here's the rub the wwii guys didn't fly around with a red tag pointing to their location and the bad guy didn't have a leupold 4x12 scope to sight you in with either.

Only thing I disagree with you there is your comment about the zoom.  It really isn't a zoom as that implies magnification.  What it does is brings the images to the correct size instead of having it reduced to increase the viewable field on a tiny computer screen.

[Guppy35]

Originally posted by RALEM
From what world did Hitech find this hurricane never was A manueverable plane.

And on what do you base your claim that it was never a manueverable plane?

Just because the guy in AH is going slower in his Hurri IIc, and can turn quicker then an LA7 going light speed, doesn't mean the modeling is wrong.

Lets face it, the folks flying the Hurri aren't looking to go fast.  They're looking for some poor sap to try and turn fight em so they can use those 4 20mms

So when the Spit 16 driver who thinks he should out fly everything because he's in a 16, tries to get slow with the Hurri II, he ends up eating 20mms

And to be honest, this is the first I've ever heard that the Hurri wasn't a maneuverable plane.   Could it be your info is wrong?

[TDeacon]

These AH Hurricane complaints are very vague and subjective.  

If you guys want HTC to pay any attention to them, someone needs to measure performance of the area in question, in the game, describing the procedure and results.  Then analyze these measurements relative to measurements of other planes in AH, or relative to real historical data.  (This is a lot of work, of course, which is why most people don't bother to do it).  

Otherwise, it's just whining.  :-)

[Karnak]

Dan,

Well, that is the thing.  All we have to go on are subjective things.

R. R. S. Tuck certainly seemed to think that the Spitfire Mk I was much more responsive to the pilot than the Hurricane.  He didn't think it was a bad fighter, just that it wasn't "part" of him the way the Spitfire was.

In AH the Spitifre Mk I is an aircraft you have to struggle with horribly and wrestle it to get it to roll whereas the Hurricane Mk I is light and and easy to the touch.  That is pretty far from how Tuck related it.


If the Hurricane Mk I, Spitfire Mk I, Bf109E-4 and Bf110C-4 performed like they do in AH then the Hurricane and Bf110 would have gone on to see major development and been the main fighters of Britain and Germany in WWII leaving the Spitfire and Bf109 to be phased out as less capable machines.

[Squire]

Its the usual case of comparing early and late war rides, folks think that "early" a/c are supposed to be total P-O-S, and then are shocked when  they turn out to be more manueverable than their 1944 superfighter at lower airspeeds.

Be thankfull the CR42 and Gloster Gladiator aren't in AH.

[Guppy35]

Originally posted by Karnak
Dan,

Well, that is the thing.  All we have to go on are subjective things.

R. R. S. Tuck certainly seemed to think that the Spitfire Mk I was much more responsive to the pilot than the Hurricane.  He didn't think it was a bad fighter, just that it wasn't "part" of him the way the Spitfire was.

In AH the Spitifre Mk I is an aircraft you have to struggle with horribly and wrestle it to get it to roll whereas the Hurricane Mk I is light and and easy to the touch.  That is pretty far from how Tuck related it.


If the Hurricane Mk I, Spitfire Mk I, Bf109E-4 and Bf110C-4 performed like they do in AH then the Hurricane and Bf110 would have gone on to see major development and been the main fighters of Britain and Germany in WWII leaving the Spitfire and Bf109 to be phased out as less capable machines.

Not disagreeing with that

My thing is with comments like the orignal poster.  Chances are he got whacked by a Hurri driver while he was cruising around in his LA7 and is wondering how it happened

[Airscrew]

I'll have to look in one of my books but i seem to recall one pilot, after moving to the Spitfire,  described the handling of the hurricane like a truck.  but in the same book other pilots described the Hurricane as a joy to fly without vices, very manuverable.

[Flatbar]

Originally posted by TDeacon
These AH Hurricane complaints are very vague and subjective.  

If you guys want HTC to pay any attention to them, someone needs to measure performance of the area in question, in the game, describing the procedure and results.  Then analyze these measurements relative to measurements of other planes in AH, or relative to real historical data.  (This is a lot of work, of course, which is why most people don't bother to do it).  

Otherwise, it's just whining.  :-)

Glad to see someone gets it

Hard historical data that proves HTC has it wrong is the only thing that should force a change, everything else is just anecdotal and meaningless, makes for good stories though

[Warspawn]

Originally posted by Guppy35
And on what do you base your claim that it was never a manueverable plane?

And to be honest, this is the first I've ever heard that the Hurri wasn't a maneuverable plane.   Could it be your info is wrong?

The Finns seemed to think it was just a target when they faced them with their Brewsters.  "Sluggish and unresponsive in a dogfight" I believe is what was said by their reports.

/shrug.  I just avoid even thinking about looking at the nose of one, or attempting to turn or maneuver in the verticle with the ebil thing.  If it's in front of me though, I'll try to take a bite out of it.  Then run.

They are da debbil though.  Many times I've pumped type 99 or Hispano 20mm's into one thinking it was surely dead, only to have it shrug off the hits and continue fighting  .

[storch]

both of the huricanes should probably handle more like the zekes than what they are modelled like currently.  it was a great gun platform, rock solid by all accounts.  rock solid gun platforms are usually not very manuoeverable.  the best turners are are actually a bit unstable.  they shouldn't have the zoom capability that they do in this game and that big fat wing should bleed off E rapidly.

[Brooke]

Being less maneuverable than a Brewster is not that same as being poor at maneuvering.