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Offline Elfie

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« Reply #45 on: June 26, 2006, 01:21:53 AM »
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I have no idea what they would have done. Not much point in speculation. Superman rocks.

I know that if it were me, I'd pull the plug. To do otherwise is to admit defeat to the terrorists.


So is apologizing and removing the cartoons. People still did it though. I don't see this as speculation. I am positive those administrators would have let a Muslim girl keep speaking, regardless of what she was saying.

I believe you would pull the plug you cold hearted beast. :D
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« Reply #46 on: June 26, 2006, 01:24:31 AM »
If not for the ACLU thugs we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Lemme make sure I'm getting this right. By pulling the plug we are protecting people's right to not hear anything they might find offensive at the expense of free speech?  :aok
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Offline Sandman

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« Reply #47 on: June 26, 2006, 01:28:42 AM »
There are limits to free speech. The separation of church and state is one of those limits.

If you wish to preach at a public school function, you're out of luck.

If the ACLU wishes to champion the separation of church and state, I'm all for them doing so.
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« Reply #48 on: June 26, 2006, 01:31:02 AM »
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There are limits to free speech. The separation of church and state is one of those limits.

If you wish to preach at a public school function, you're out of luck.

If the ACLU wishes to champion the separation of church and state, I'm all for them doing so.


You and the ACLU may claim that free speech is limited by "the separation of church and state", whatever the heck that means, but I don't think you'll find it in the Constitution. If you can please enlighten me.
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Offline Sandman

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« Reply #49 on: June 26, 2006, 01:32:08 AM »
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So is apologizing and removing the cartoons. People still did it though. I don't see this as speculation. I am positive those administrators would have let a Muslim girl keep speaking, regardless of what she was saying.

I believe you would pull the plug you cold hearted beast. :D


IIRC, the people apologizing and removing cartoons we're not Americans. AFAIK, the rights to free speech and the freedom of the press are more restricted in most countries than they are here in the U.S., including the democratic countries as well.
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« Reply #50 on: June 26, 2006, 01:33:43 AM »
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You and the ACLU may claim that free speech is limited by "the separation of church and state", whatever the heck that means, but I don't think you'll find it in the Constitution. If you can please enlighten me.


Take it up with the Supreme Court. They've upheld the separation of church and state on a number of occasions. Google is your friend.
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« Reply #51 on: June 26, 2006, 01:34:55 AM »
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If you wish to preach at a public school function, you're out of luck.


Whether or not she was preaching is a matter of opinion. The article doesnt tell us what she said either. However, at least 400 students and their families thought it was the wrong descion to shut her down. So I think it's debateable whether or not she was in fact preaching.

Since we dont know what she said, it might be speculation to say she was, or wasnt. :)
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Offline lukster

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« Reply #52 on: June 26, 2006, 01:35:11 AM »
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Take it up with the Supreme Court. They've upheld the separation of church and state on a number of occasions. Google is your friend.


I agree that there is to be no official state religion but how does that bear on freedom of speech?
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Offline Thud

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« Reply #53 on: June 26, 2006, 01:35:50 AM »
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I'm beginning to think of the ACLU as a terrorist organization.


Apparently you're quite willing to slap the terrorist label on anything not in-line with your personal beliefs. You've got a long war on terror ahead then...
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« Reply #54 on: June 26, 2006, 01:38:10 AM »
We should not tolerate Lukster's ideas on the ACLU.  Let's restrict his freedom to express them.
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Offline Sandman

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« Reply #55 on: June 26, 2006, 01:38:32 AM »
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Whether or not she was preaching is a matter of opinion. The article doesnt tell us what she said either. However, at least 400 students and their families thought it was the wrong descion to shut her down. So I think it's debateable whether or not she was in fact preaching.

Since we dont know what she said, it might be speculation to say she was, or wasnt. :)


Well... we know that the guy with control of the PA system thought she was preaching.
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« Reply #56 on: June 26, 2006, 01:41:48 AM »
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Well... we know that the guy with control of the PA system thought she was preaching.


Exactly, just one persons opinion compared to the opinions of hundreds in the audience. :)
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Offline Sandman

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« Reply #57 on: June 26, 2006, 01:42:36 AM »
Well.. the fact that he was outnumbered doesn't necessarily mean he was wrong. I doubt very much that the audience saw the "approved" speech beforehand.
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« Reply #58 on: June 26, 2006, 01:44:58 AM »
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Apparently you're quite willing to slap the terrorist label on anything not in-line with your personal beliefs. You've got a long war on terror ahead then...


They have the resources to intimidate just about anyone and they freely do so to further their agenda.  From their actions I can't see that their goals have changed since they were founded. While they don't blow up buildings, so far as I know, their efforts have been more destructive than all of the attacks by angry bombers combined in this country.
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Offline Elfie

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« Reply #59 on: June 26, 2006, 01:56:42 AM »
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Well.. the fact that he was outnumbered doesn't necessarily mean he was wrong. I doubt very much that the audience saw the "approved" speech beforehand.


That is true, yet it doesnt necessarily make him right either. :)

I doubt any of the audience saw the approved version and I doubt any of us will either. In fact, I doubt we ever get to see what she actually said either. If that happened, we could have a debate about whether or not she was in fact *preaching*. :D
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