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Offline lukster

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« on: June 25, 2006, 08:01:59 PM »
No surprise which side of this the so called ACLU stands.

http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/news.aspx?id=17034
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Offline ASTAC

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« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2006, 08:07:08 PM »
Because they only stand on the side of the civil liberties of minorities or the issues they approve of.


I believe free speech trumps the so called but NOT defined in the constitution "Seperation of chuirch and state"
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Offline Maverick

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« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2006, 09:08:21 PM »
Very thorny issue here and the concept of "free speech" vs the fact that she was using the school gathering and equipment as a conduit for it.

On one hand it's a bit funny as that school would likely have fought tooth and nail to avoid having a book restricted on the basis of religious objection to preserve the freedom of the students to have access to it, foul language and "adult" concepts and all.
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Offline Tarmac

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« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2006, 09:11:34 PM »
This has nothing to do with free speech.  She can say whatever she wants.  Likewise, the school has every right to un-invite a speaker if the speaker's message isn't in line with policy.  So she can talk about religion all she wants, just don't expect the school to give her a stage to do it on.
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Offline Holden McGroin

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« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2006, 09:17:37 PM »
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So she can talk about religion all she wants, just don't expect the school to give her a stage to do it on.


When a preacher stands on the courthouse steps and preaches to a gathering, should that be disallowed because he is using public facilities for a sermon?

Perhaps a more tolerant society would allow for someone to speak their personal religious view, even in a public forum.
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« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2006, 09:17:44 PM »
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"We encourage people to talk about religion and the impact on their lives. But when that discussion crosses over to become proselytizing, then we to tell students they can't do that," Hoffman said.


Sounds like it was the school's decision and McComb broke their established rules. One would expect that a valedictorian would be aware of the school's policy. She obviously decided to challenge the rule, one that the 9th Circuit Court has upheld. She lost.
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« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2006, 09:19:51 PM »
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Perhaps a more tolerant society would allow for someone to speak their personal religious view, even in a public forum.


Maybe when the church starts practicing tolerance they will in turn receive it.
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Offline Holden McGroin

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« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2006, 09:20:14 PM »
Sandman defends the govermental right to stomp on the little guy... details at 11....
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« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2006, 09:26:13 PM »
I always thought a Valedictorian "earned" the right to speak at the commencement ceremony. The school pulled the plug soley because she was expressing her religious beliefs. Beliefs that were certainly a part of who she is and how she accomplished what she did. I'm beginning to think of the ACLU as a terrorist organization. They certainly struck fear in the heart of that school.
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Offline Sandman

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« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2006, 09:29:22 PM »
The ACLU didn't make the policy.
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« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2006, 09:29:31 PM »
Lukster, as valedictorian you earn the privlege to freely speak your mind as long as you do not deviate from the governmentally approved script.
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« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2006, 09:29:47 PM »
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The ACLU didn't make the policy.


Right. :rolleyes:
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Offline lukster

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« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2006, 09:34:22 PM »
So good of the ACLU to tell us we shouldn't complain.

"There should be no controversy here," ACLU lawyer Allen Lichtenstein said. "It's important for people to understand that a student was given a school-sponsored forum by a school and therefore, in essence, it was a school-sponsored speech."
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« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2006, 09:34:58 PM »
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« Reply #14 on: June 25, 2006, 09:36:12 PM »
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Wrong


Did you read the last remark in that?

"Lichtenstein said the ACLU has the right to revive its lawsuit if the school district decides to allow prayer at future graduation ceremonies."
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