Author Topic: Smoking: Another debate that's over. (Read 3119 times)

Dos Equis · « **on:** June 28, 2006, 12:42:44 PM »

Yet another one of those pesky scientists declaring that a debate is settled. This time about the effects of 2nd hand smoke.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0606280182jun28,1,5258945.story?track=rss&ctrack=1&cset=true

Who do these scientists think they are? No debate is over if there is one quack willing to stand up and present contrived evidence. Isn't that AH rule #13 or something?

Maybe, just because these scientists say so, smoking will be banned in all restaurants. By state law. Wouldn't that be something? Stupid public health concerns.

Mustaine · « **Reply #1 on:** June 28, 2006, 01:00:59 PM »

I've been reading those stories, and feeling guilty because i KNOW they track hits on stories.... i don't want to promote the story at all. it is a crock. if an establishment wants to allow smoking, it is an adults CHOICE to choose to patronize that establishment. they can choose not to.

******* anti-smoking nazi's piss me off more than anything i can think of right now.

all it is is prohibition all over again, we all know how well that worked out.

weaselsan · « **Reply #2 on:** June 28, 2006, 01:08:22 PM »

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Originally posted by Mustaine
I've been reading those stories, and feeling guilty because i KNOW they track hits on stories.... i don't want to promote the story at all. it is a crock. if an establishment wants to allow smoking, it is an adults CHOICE to choose to patronize that establishment. they can choose not to.

******* anti-smoking nazi's piss me off more than anything i can think of right now.

all it is is prohibition all over again, we all know how well that worked out.

The smoking nazi's began by making a small request..."All we are asking for is no smoking on flights shorter than 1 hour".... now is that really asking to much of smokers?

The next time someone says "All we are asking for is......remember this.

Eagler · « **Reply #3 on:** June 28, 2006, 01:12:21 PM »

any of you anti anti-smokers non-smokers yourself?

I'm all for whatever stops me and my family from smelling someone elses nasty habit

it's great to see a crowd of smokers balled up in the smoking rooms at airports & arenas

Yeager · « **Reply #4 on:** June 28, 2006, 01:13:45 PM »

God created cigarettes to kill the dumb.

Maverick · « **Reply #5 on:** June 28, 2006, 01:45:46 PM »

Eagler,

Both my wife and I smoked in the past. We are dedicated non smokers and have a medical reason for it. My wife cannot tollerate the smoke after having gone through a very aggressive chemo series a few years back. Exposure to it causes a rather painful situation much like an asthma attack. This means every time we are out in public she has to use something to screen out the smoke if someone nearby or upwind is smoking. We have asked smokers to refrain at times and gotten mostly negative reactions. Some of them instead lit up another while still smoking the original cigarette them told us we had to leave if we didn't like it.

It all comes down to this. She has a right to be able to breath when out in public and particularly when in a building. No one has yet been able to proivide a medical necessity for someone to smoke at the risk of anothers health. There is no reason to tell another that they cannot go out in public just because another person wants, does not have any viable NEED, to smoke. If you cannot hold out from smoking while near others, perhaps you should seek treatment for your addiction.

Eagler · « **Reply #6 on:** June 28, 2006, 01:49:35 PM »

psst.. Mav .. I am on your side

Maverick · « **Reply #7 on:** June 28, 2006, 01:50:52 PM »

Psst, I know, I just added a reason to support what you were saying from real life.

xrtoronto · « **Reply #8 on:** June 28, 2006, 02:30:55 PM »

Smoking is the stupidest of all things. You don't even get high from it....just ill.

BlueJ1 · « **Reply #9 on:** June 28, 2006, 02:36:02 PM »

Smoking is illegal in any food place or bar in Western New York.

One thing I can be proud of in this area.

lazs2 · « **Reply #10 on:** June 28, 2006, 02:36:27 PM »

mav... what I think it boils down to is that in any building that you own you have the right to ban smoking in it.

In any building that you help pay for (public building) you have a right to vote on if smoking should be banned or not.

In any private building, business or not.... you have no right to dictate if the owner bans it or not.

You do have the right to have signs posted at the entrances of buildings that allow smoking that say that it is indeed a smoking area.

as for socialist dos ekk.... I could not open your blue city rag... So maybe you could just give me the gist of it..... did the article/scientists say exactly how getting a much dilluted dose of something was worse for the person getting the dilluted dose than it was for the person who got the full dose?

How can second hand smoke be worse for the person than for the smoker who is getting not only first hand but.... obviously 2nd hand smoke as well...

and then... what about third and fourth hand... certainly the smoker and non smoker exchange 3rd and fourth and so on.... does the risk increase with every dillution?

maybe it is just that the lungs are some sort of evil reverse catlytic converter taht converts relatively harmless smoke into something much more deadly?

lazs

Mustaine · « **Reply #11 on:** June 28, 2006, 02:51:13 PM »

Lazs... here's the yahoo story from yesterday:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060628/ap_on_he_me/involuntary_smoking_11

gist of the article:

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"This could be the most influential surgeon general's report in 15 years," said Matthew Myers of the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids. "The message to governments is: The only way to protect your citizens is comprehensive smoke-free laws."

bunch of manure.

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Originally posted by lazs2
...In any private building, business or not.... you have no right to dictate if the owner bans it or not.

You do have the right to have signs posted at the entrances of buildings that allow smoking that say that it is indeed a smoking area....

most important point IMHO

Dos Equis · « **Reply #12 on:** June 28, 2006, 03:06:48 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
mav... what I think it boils down to is that in any building that you own you have the right to ban smoking in it.

as for socialist dos ekk.... I could not open your blue city rag... So maybe you could just give me the gist of it..... did the article/scientists say exactly how getting a much dilluted dose of something was worse for the person getting the dilluted dose than it was for the person who got the full dose?

lazs

I snipped the rest of your drivel.

My blue city rag? The Chicago Tribune is a lefty rag? To whom? You and David Duke?

At least get it right. Crain's Chicago Business and the Tribune are hardcore conservative papers owned by major news syndicates. The Sun Times is the lefty rag with socialists like Mike Royko (before he died) and Studs Terkel (another one who would get on your Commie list probably)

Jackal1 · « **Reply #13 on:** June 28, 2006, 03:07:10 PM »

Well at least if you go out to dine, when you walk out the door of a non-smoking eatery, you can rest assured that you have received no second hand smoke to harm your health while you were dining.
You might not want to get too smug about it if you were to consider the steroid produced meat accompanied with doses of perservatives, chemicals, isecticides and artificial coloring and flavor enhancers.
In most cities you probably also wouldn`t want to consider the toxics you are breathing, once you exit, in plain sight that are you are breathing that are being expelled by the factories . You would probably wish to overlook the paving machine down the street or even consider what was in the water you drank while you were dining.or....or........or.... ...
But hey.................you didn`t get any second hand smoke. You can also feel proud that by supporting such idiotic laws that you have became a proud member of those willingly to give up their own rights and to turn your well being over to those more qualified than the ordinary citizen...that being the government.
But hey........you didn`t get any second hand smoke.
Stand proud.
Now if you can manage not to get killed by the crackhead on the corner willing to kill you and your family to get ten bucks for a rock or the drunk cab driver using the sidewalk as a street or......or...........or...... .......................

Nanny laws. They are great. Vote NO on freedom and common sense.

Nilsen · « **Reply #14 on:** June 28, 2006, 03:07:30 PM »

The world has gone nuts..

I agree with mav, yeager and eagler

Ill go one step further... It should be illegal to smoke in _your own home_ IF you have kids living there. Smoking while beeing pregnant or breastfeeding should also be illegal.