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Offline kamilyun

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« Reply #30 on: July 01, 2006, 12:21:08 AM »
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I gather the discussion started with philanthropy and has morphed into taxation.

For what government services, if any, would you gladly exchange tax dollars?

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I'll sort of blend my priorities of government with my government reform wishlist:

1.  Military
2.  Condensed policing/intelligence agencies (we've got CIA, FBI, ATF, NSA, ATF, Homeland security, US Marshalls, INS, Customs, did I miss any?)
3.  Park service (yeah, I prefer trees over subdivisions and strip malls)

That's it :)  Protect us from other countries, keep some wilderness to hike/hunt/camp in...

Leave each state to figure it's own agenda.  I'm all for some states being liberal, some states being conservative...country is big enough for everyone :)
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Offline nirvana

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« Reply #31 on: July 01, 2006, 12:39:01 AM »
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Leave each state to figure it's own agenda.  I'm all for some states being liberal, some states being conservative...country is big enough for everyone :)



Ohhh boy.  Be ready to get burned at the stake for that one....
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« Reply #32 on: July 01, 2006, 09:38:04 AM »
in a representitive democracy you can still lose your freedoms.... in fact... it is a certainty...  every new representitive will pass new and more restrictive laws based on what he thinks the people who elected him or.... the politicians in his party....want.

the only way it can work is to have a very strong bill of rights with a supreme court that routinely looks at every law that is passed to see if it is constitutional or not.

This is not happening.   We have less freedom every year.   We are more restricted from both the left and the right and we have very little say in it.

voting does very little as the representitive that we vote for rarely represents us more than he does himself, his party and his contributing special interest groups.

Government is growing when it should be shrinking.  We are paying more taxes and living under more and more laws... government is more intrusive in our lives every day....  

I would call that tyranny.

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« Reply #33 on: July 01, 2006, 11:30:43 AM »
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Government is growing when it should be shrinking.  We are paying more taxes and living under more and more laws... government is more intrusive in our lives every day....  

I would call that tyranny.

lazs


Here's a definition of tyranny I buy:

tyranny

  • noun (pl. tyrannies) 1 cruel and oppressive government or rule. 2 a state under such rule. 3 cruel and arbitrary exercise of power or control.

  — DERIVATIVES tyrannous adjective.

There's a qualtative difference between our two claims.  Maybe the representatives will sort it out?

hap
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« Reply #34 on: July 01, 2006, 12:19:51 PM »
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...arbitrary exercise of power or control.
 


Well, they've got this much covered for sure.  :D
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« Reply #35 on: July 01, 2006, 01:00:02 PM »
Actually Hap, that does sound like our government and what Lazs was saying.  The taxation would fit #1, the laws would fit under #3, and #2 is where we live.
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« Reply #36 on: July 01, 2006, 01:08:34 PM »
If I had 30 bil to give away, I would give it to the NRA.  That way they could buy off all the politicians they need to protect the 2nd ammendmant forever!

Maybe first I would drop a million or two at a strip club.  :D
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« Reply #37 on: July 01, 2006, 01:17:43 PM »
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Maybe first I would drop a million or two at a strip club.  :D


Hey dumby, how about this option instead. Buy your OWN strip club!!!

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« Reply #38 on: July 01, 2006, 01:21:56 PM »
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Hey dumby, how about this option instead. Buy your OWN strip club!!!

:D


Too many hassles and skanky women complaining.  Better just to go, have fun and walk away.

Of course, if I had millions to blow, I could buy a club, hire a bunch of strippers, have one stage and just one seat, mine.   No other customers allowed.  :D
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« Reply #39 on: July 01, 2006, 01:36:27 PM »
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Here's a definition of tyranny I buy:

tyranny

  • noun (pl. tyrannies) 1 cruel and oppressive government or rule. 2 a state under such rule. 3 cruel and arbitrary exercise of power or control.

  — DERIVATIVES tyrannous adjective.

There's a qualtative difference between our two claims.  Maybe the representatives will sort it out?

hap


qualitative? I disagree. It's a matter of degree.

Once you allow an income tax (for example) in principle, it is just a matter of time and "representative's" will to decide how much it is. What is there to prevent them from declaring 100% tax on income. The entire GNP belongs to the government (they'll say " to us, the people" of course), and it is up to the government to decide who gets what.

It happened before.

Once we agree that the government "has a role" is our children education, it is just a matter of time until we have no say to what they are taught, and if we try to teach them at home, they'll take our kids away. For the good of children of course.

It happened before. As a matter of fact this is the first thing every self respecting totalitarian government does. First free and public, but compulsatory soon after.

Call me paranoid, but this is already happening here as well.
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« Reply #40 on: July 01, 2006, 01:54:57 PM »
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Ohhh boy.  Be ready to get burned at the stake for that one....


LOL....The entire liberal philosophy is based on using the Federal courts to dictate their agenda. A good example would be "Homosexual Marriage". Use an extreme left wing court like Massachusetts to legalize the marriage, then use the Constitutions "Full faith clause" to force the 49 other states to recognize the marriages. By pass legislative law. What they seem to have forgotten is that the SCOTUS could easily swing right....Now the rabbits got the gun.
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« Reply #41 on: July 02, 2006, 09:49:07 AM »
yep... mietla and nirvana get it hap does not.   I believe that hap, you think that democracy is the important thing here... socialism thrives in a democracy... socialism is tyranny.   representitives are elected by socialists and done so democraticaly.

Only a strong bill of rights can protect us from tyranny.... Well... a strong bill of rights and a judicial branch willing to stick with it.

Tyranny=cruelty?   Ok... so how "cruel" is making people pay for services that they oppose?  How cruel is anexing their land to give to the socialists?  Why should monies be extorted for us to support only state sponsored education for our children?  

Taxes grow government.... They support worthless government programs that are at best.... a way to put more people on governments payroll in order to better keep track of everyone else.  This is tyranny.

The methods of the IRS are tyranny... the methods of the EPA are tyranny... the FBI atf etc.  all tyranny... all acting in a way that most would think was illegal but operating under special privilige that normal citizens do not have.

The only real thing to do about it is to grow a pair and never ever never vote for any new tax or any new law that restricts freedom in any way to anyone... no matter how good it sounds at the time...

being conned buy these so called "for our own good" laws and taxes does us no good... it only grows government.

How much government in your life is considered tyranny?   I would venture to say that people from the '50s would say that we are allready there...

lazs
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« Reply #42 on: July 02, 2006, 06:17:07 PM »
why do they have so much money?...

Is it beciase Bill gAtes charges WAY too MUCh for Software?


I think thats a big part...I love windows stuff..works great for me...but its pricey


Same as the WASTE of MONEY all you Dolts spend on PRO ATHletes...Jerseys, HAts, ect ect....YA Support soem idiot playing basketball...with a 100 million  contract....The USA is full of idiots..

I dont mind sports..but the money is atrocious....How about 5$ for a tickect $1 for a beer.. 50 cents for a hotdog..then pay those sports morons/owners  70K a year...

Everytime I see some one with Pro Sports Gear On...I think..what an idiot...Great thing to show kids...Great Priorities
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