Author Topic: Blonde Knight Frame 2 AAR (Read 1012 times)

daddog · « **on:** July 01, 2006, 06:35:59 PM »

The 332nd Flying Mongrels were slotted to defend the troop facility near 6.8.8. We were assigned Spit XIV and realized soon after take off that once we reached the troop facility near 6.8.8 that we would only have 20 min of fuel left. I ordered ½ my flight to head directly to A15 which was only 3 miles west of the troop facility. They were rearming as some of the other fields within two sectors were beginning to flash. By then my flight had only 15 or 20 min of fuel left and I ordered the rest to land and rearm. By the time we arrived the first flight was taking off with a full load of fuel. Two of my guys broke their gear and or bent their prop. I properly chastised them for busting up a perfectly good aircraft. Thirty seconds later I was on final and bounced too hard. Bent my prop!

Ugh! I could not just exit, the guys would have asked what happened, my hand was forced. I have to say that Spit XIV is a bit ticklish on the ground.

Well that brought our numbers down to 11 or so.

Soon after they were back up some 262’s came in and were buzzing the sky. We managed to down one (thanks to Teedawg and Ren) without a loss. This kept up for about 10 min then the Ju-88’s came in with 109 escorts. Several Ju-88’s were downed and a couple 109’s. I have to say that Harppa was the last one up and he was chased back to A15 by some 109’s and a Ju-88. He managed to evade them and then take out a 109 before he landed his smoking and damaged AC.

In frame one we were also slotted to defend a factory. No problem with that, I actually enjoy defending, but what I have concluded is if we had 4 cannons instead of .50’s (P-51) or 2 20mm (Spit) we would have really cleaned up. A suggestion for Frame C.O.’s. Give those defending an aircraft with 4 cannons. They would really tear up a formation of Ju-88’s.

doobs · « **Reply #1 on:** July 01, 2006, 07:04:30 PM »

whats the matter DD, coudn't watch rest of event from enemy side in frame 2

tedrbr · « **Reply #2 on:** July 01, 2006, 07:42:45 PM »

Both the 262's and the 109G-14's you faced were LCA pilots. The JU-88's were Bad Company's

BDA of the training facility: knocked down to 20% after the JU-88's second pass. Not too bad. They went in with 10 flights of buffs (minus a couple lost drones) and 8 of their pilots managed to rtb.

I'd have to agree with defenders needed cannon against buffs. TANK1 would have killed more JU-88's before I got him, had he cannon instead of .50's in the pony he was flying.

The Bf109G-14 wasn't that great an escort..... we had an awful time staying slow enough and circling the buffs to keep close to them. Did not speed up until cons sighted, and probably never reached full speed in them like they should be flown. It's a better interceptor, especially against buffs with gondola option.

At least two of my 109 pilots were forced to ditch, and were captured behind enemy lines. Another compressed and lawndarted.

Fuel-wise, flying nearly the whole way to an from target at less than maximum cruising speeds, 100% fuel, and DTs, got three of home with about 10 minutes of flight time to spare.

I can also sympathize with bent prop.... I came in too fast and overshot the end of the runway... bent prop and ditch.

Still waiting to hear from my Me-262 pilots on their experience. Only 4 of them managed to land. One looked like a disco (ouch, tough way to loose 20 points), and one looks as if he lawn-darted.

doobs · « **Reply #3 on:** July 01, 2006, 07:53:31 PM »

Ha,, need it destroyed, cannons or no, call the JG44 in.

we getr done

96Delta · « **Reply #4 on:** July 01, 2006, 08:02:19 PM »

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We managed to down one (thanks to Teedawg and Ren)

Yea, that was me daddog.
I was the only 262 killed in air-to-air combat.

We lost 1 to AAA and one to Disco. Not sure
about the last one.

Very nice job Teedawg...I never saw the Spit on
my six until I saw tracers going by.

By then I was
pretty well doomed as I let my E drop while chasing
the first Spit. I rolled over and was about to start
a dive to get that E back up but to no avail.
The Spit got my horizontal stabilizers and that
was that.

I knew I was putting myself in a weak position.
Had I known about the second Spit..well, thats
another story.

Very nice teamwork you guys.

~~David "96Delta"~~

Reynolds · « **Reply #5 on:** July 01, 2006, 09:12:29 PM »

So, you guys still fly?!? lol. ive never seen you on!

Imoutfishing · « **Reply #6 on:** July 02, 2006, 03:38:15 AM »

I don't know what to say about that frame.

The Nightmare's flew a NOE path to the radar factory in 12,7 and the b26's still beat us there. So we had little effect on that target. During our RTB to A60 we encountered a couple of enemy plane's but nothing to speak of. We re-armed at 60 then with nothing left to do we landed per orders.

IMHO it was a waist of 20 perfectly good Pony's. A fighter sweep might have been in order with an hour left in the frame. Next week is going to be a good one for sure. Thats how it goes...

MGD

daddog · « **Reply #7 on:** July 02, 2006, 10:18:45 AM »

LOL Doobs. You dog.

Sorry to hear that MGD. Not sure why you guys saw little action. You might ask Creton about it. That is never any fun.

Reynolds we are active in the Friday night Squad Ops, but the MA flying of late has been pretty thin. I get in the MA 3 times a week or so and usually don't see anyone. You can't make Friday nights right? I will be happy to send you the orders if you like.

Shoot me an e-mail again.

Was fun tedrbr. You guys kept us busy to be sure!

Delta we sure heard a lot of WTG on vox when teedawg shot you down.

ramzey · « **Reply #8 on:** July 02, 2006, 11:55:53 AM »

DD its not about see a little action thats happend sometimes.
Its about quality of CiC.

Im not afraid to say, this frame allied CiC SUX.
I hope he learn something this time.

96Delta · « **Reply #9 on:** July 02, 2006, 10:13:40 PM »

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Originally posted by daddog
Delta we sure heard a lot of WTG on vox when teedawg shot you down.

MUST KILL TEEDAWG...MUST KILL TEEDAWG...MUST KILL TEEDAWG...

tedrbr · « **Reply #10 on:** July 03, 2006, 01:29:07 AM »

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Originally posted by ramzey
DD its not about see a little action thats happend sometimes.
Its about quality of CiC.

Im not afraid to say, this frame allied CiC SUX.
I hope he learn something this time.

A bit harsh, but I was on Axis so I do not know from first hand experience.

And if it was the first time running the show, well, it's a learning experience. Some have some background in things like this coming in, some do not, and I'm sure some get put into the position of CiC against their will when it's a squad's turn to provide one: ie short straw looses. In which case, I think I know who the next Allied Frame CO should be.....

(Hint: First to cast stones)

But.... If various AARs I've seen are correct,... I think the lesson is: do not go AFK, trusting your autoclimb, when you are in THE most important plane in the arena for your side.

Bad things can happen then.

Next Friday ought to be fun.

Imoutfishing · « **Reply #11 on:** July 03, 2006, 02:58:37 AM »

Aye,

I agree a touch harsh.

Some advice for first time CiC's:

Do not try to get tricky your first time out. Meet the enemy head on in force. Win or loose your pilots will understand. Just try to give your given plane set the advantage with there upping bases and squad numbers. When it comes down to it thats what wins FSO's.

MGD

ramzey · « **Reply #12 on:** July 03, 2006, 12:10:33 PM »

2 more advices
Communicate with your squadrons and dont send them to land in the middle of event.

TracerX · « **Reply #13 on:** July 03, 2006, 12:14:54 PM »

USMC was on the north side of the map, escorting The Damned's JU88's to the AA Factory. We had 7 262's and 4 Fw190's. Drano decided to go noe to target, so we used the 262's and 190's to scout ahead and help them avoid enemy contacts. The 190's ran into a formation of heavy P47's early. We ditched droptanks and engaged them. They were heavy, and tried to run past us, we downed 4 of them, and let the rest go as we had to return to the escort duties. Having droped our tanks early, the 190's were soon down to 20 minutes of fuel. We decided to keep the 262's out, and refuel the 190's. As the 190's were refueling, the 262's found the enemy over the target. There were P51's and Tempests all over. They did their best to take them away from the target so the bombers could get through, but I believe the bombers were spotted before target.

By the time the 190's were joined back up, the 262's had to go get fuel. They had lost one 262's engine, but otherwise were unhurt. The 190's engaged the pursuing P51's but, without the support of the 262's, they did not fare so well. Mostly running and covering each other it was a long fight but all 4 190s went down. The 262's refueled, and continued the fight, downing a handfull more of enemy planes before landing. We lost 3 262's to enemy action I believe, landed the rest. Everyone had a great time, and Iceman was our top pilot in a 190, scoring 4 kills. ~~Allies, it was a fun frame.~~

tedrbr · « **Reply #14 on:** July 03, 2006, 01:41:38 PM »

Comes down to best use of plane set given.

Shorter ranged fighters with cannon, should be on defensive cap. Typhies, Tempies, G-14's with Gondolas. Buff interceptors and killers.

Choice beteen P-51's and P-47's for defense, I'd use the Jug (unless you *have* to use the jug in JABO role) --- Jug both deals and takes more damage engaged with buffs. Just important to try and have altitude and energy advantage. Pony is the better escort and fighter sweep platform.

262's. As a scout, fine.... 4 to 6 plane flights plenty for a patrol. Also decent for taking out buffs in hit and runs. I wouldn't send them on a fighter sweep.

I think the limited visibility creates some problems as well. Whole formations passing each other, and never seeing each other. Literally, the Fog of War.

In the end, not every squadron going to have a steller night ever FSO frame. But, I still look forward to them. Nice change of pace from MA.