Wow

[Udie]

 Well I probobly shouldn't be posting, I only got 2 hrs sleep last night    Karnak, you called it man <S> I realy thought Bush would have taken it by at least 10% if not more.  Who ever wins this thing has quite a job ahead of them.  Our congress is pretty well split, at least the senate.  The Republicans still have the majority but not by much. Personaly I think Bush is the man to work with a divided congress, he's done it here in Tx already.

 Ahhh the electorial college, what do we do about it?  I realy don't know myself.  It's part of the constitution and I don't like changing the constitution at all, but it looks like the winner may lose the popular vote and win the electorial vote.  I hope and pray it's Bush.  Regardless, 1/2 of me thinks we need to change it the other 1/2 doesn't want to amend the constitution. This election was wierd.  I saw ZERO adds here in Tx, a first in any election.  I know people in other "Bush" states that saw none either, and I'm sure there were "Gore" states that saw no adds either.  Both candidates just ran adds in key electorial states like Florida.  That's the effect of the electorial college that I don't like, that and the fact that 2 or 3 states could decide the election either way. It just doesn't seem "democratic", but of course we are a representative republic not a democracy.

 Now about a mandate, I think its pretty clear that there is NO mandate for either candidate.  If Bush wins I think he will have more of a "mandate" than Gore would if he won. Simply because the American people would have elected a Republican president AND left the congress in the hands of the Republicans. It's been about 50 yrs since that happened. The democrats in the Senate could always fillabuster any legislation that comes there way, but I've seen enough dems cross party lines in the last 8 years to think that they all would use that tactic.  The House, I think,  is where the Republicans did the best. I believe they picked up a couple of seats, so hopefuly they now have 15 or so more members in the House than the Democrats do.  I believe Bush would have a MUCH easier time governing and getting legislation through congress than Gore would.  Either way I'm satisfied that our system works. BUT we realy need to get the other 150 million people in this country to vote. It's just not right that less than 25% of the people decide who's elected to public office. Who know's though, maybe it's best that way.  


 I'm left with 2 strong feelings after last night. One, the media is a joke.  Now I already thought this, but last night confirmed it for me.  The seconds is.........

 Checks and ballances, checks and ballances.  Our founding fathers were very freaking smart, they knew exactly what they were doing 225 years ago.  


S! to all

and I hope Bush wins Florida  


Udie


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[ygsmilo]

Good post Udie, I consider myself a moderate Republican but I believe in the balance of power.  Having a Republican congress and Republican president may not be in the best interests of the country.


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[Udie]

 It realy looks like the majority of Americans agree with you, as do I to a certain extent, just not right now    It also looks like the vast majority want the dems and reps to work together.  I think however it may be too late for that.  There is a LOT of bad blood between them over the last 8 years. Then there's the important fact that their idiologies are diametricly apposed, 180 deg out of phase.  How do you work with somebody that you disagree with on everything? That's the job of the next president.  To find something that we all have in common and agree upon.  Personaly I know that Al Gore isn't that man and Bush is.  Unfortunately 1/2 the country doesn't believe me.  


 Udie

[Karnak]

I would like to see President Clinton give an unconditional pardon to whomever wins (probably Bush) so that the country can try to heal.  By issuing the pardon, Clinton would prevent an reason to start looking for skeletons.

We actively NEED to have a President who doesn't suffer 4 years of investigations.

Sisu
-Karnak

[AKDejaVu]

 

This election was wierd. I saw ZERO adds here in Tx, a first in any election. I know people in other "Bush" states that saw none either, and I'm sure there were "Gore" states that saw no adds either. Both candidates just ran adds in key electorial states like Florida.

I don't know that "key electorial states" is necessarily where they ran them.  The airwaves in Oregon were saturated with campaigning by both candidates... and we only contribute 7 electoral votes.  The main criteria seemed to be states that could vote either way.  That is pretty normal for an election race this close.  We've been getting at least 20 phone calls a night campaigning also.  It was VERY agressive.

As for the Electorial College... I don't really have a preference one way or the other.  I do, however, wish to avoid any changes to the constitution.  That is one pandora's box I don't want to see opened.

AKDejaVu

[Eagler]

 

Originally posted by Karnak:
I would like to see President Clinton give an unconditional pardon to whomever wins (probably Bush) so that the country can try to heal.  By issuing the pardon, Clinton would prevent an reason to start looking for skeletons.

We actively NEED to have a President who doesn't suffer 4 years of investigations.

Sisu
-Karnak

HUH? Now that would be material for the Comedy Channel, Clinton pardon for Bush. For what? Winning? Having morales? Clinton doesn't have the ethical prominence to pardon anyone except his dog for pissing on the carpet.

I agree we should all work together, but you can already see the bullseyes being painted on the Republicians for all the country's woes.

Eagler

[Karnak]

Eagler,
For anything he MIGHT have done.

Strip any ammo from the Democrats to even start looking for irregularities in Bush's past.

He might not have done anything (I doubt it), but the pardon couldn't hurt him.

Sisu
-Karnak

[Cobra]

Karnak,
Can we extend that pardon to AH fliers so that my wife will understand my affliction!

Cobra

[Toad]

..and the same for Gore?

Or is Gore pure?

 

[Eagler]

 

Originally posted by Karnak:
Eagler,
For anything he MIGHT have done.

Strip any ammo from the Democrats to even start looking for irregularities in Bush's past.

He might not have done anything (I doubt it), but the pardon couldn't hurt him.

Sisu
-Karnak

Double HUH???
Sounds like an admission of possible guilt. Just what the democrats would want. You don't get excused for actions you did not commit. That's about the dumbest thing I've heard yet. Are you trolling Karnak? I do not believe you to be serious.

Eagler

[Udie]

 Eagler,

 I think Karnak is trying to bridge the gap between Republican and Democrat. Which is something this country needs. I also think he is conceeding that Bush will win Florida and the election, could be wrong there. One thing is for sure in my mind, we're too polarized after the past 8 years.  That would be one quick way to end the "politics of personal destruction".  I don't think that Clinton would do something like that, but it would be a nice thing for him to do.


Udie

[Ripsnort]

One  thing is for certain, I do not want to be in a rut like my grandfather whereas he would judge a person by their politics..I may dislike what their beliefs are, but in no way am I going dislike someone because they vote this way or that way, thank GOD they vote a different way than I, or we'd all be a bunch of clones running around.  

If I know what a certain persons politics are, I avoid the conversation out of respect, and I do not like to argue points that neither party would be willing to concede their point of view on, it only causes animosity.

I do like to stir the pot and post discussions to understand what 'the other side feels'...to date I still don't understand them, but, one thing is certain, we're all human (Well, maybe not MG), we're all gonna die and rot inside of Mother Earths' soil, so no one stands on higher ground than anyone else, morally,  physically, or politically.

[Eagler]

 

Originally posted by Ripsnort:
we're all gonna die and rot inside of Mother Earths' soil, so no one stands on higher ground than anyone else, morally,  physically, or politically.

Noble but wrong. Of course some stand higher than others by their thought and deeds. Do you mean in the eyes of God or what? I agree we all must atone for our actions in the end but while we are living, there are tremendous differences.

You, from what I've read, are a fellow weight lifter so you stand on higher ground physically, strength wise, than someone who does not lift.

I'd guess you stand on higher ground morally than say an O.J. (I hope at least )

As far as politics, same. Some run a clean campaign while others don't. I personally think the party against abortion stands on a higher ground than those who agree with the rights for abortion. So on and so on.

I still don't know what Clinton could do for Bush other than quietly pack his bags and leave town. Bush hasn't done anything wrong to be forgiven for. To state otherwise would be stirring up sh$t and placing doubt, doing more harm than good.

You're not going soft on me, are you Rip?  

Eagler

[Karnak]

Udie got it.

Toad,
Yes, the same for Gore.

Sisu
-Karnak

[StSanta]

Eagler, the key being "personally think".

I personally think that anyone wanting to limit 50% of the populations right of self determination stands lower. Or those who seek to execute people left and right.

Rip is right - it is all a matter of perspective. Nothing is absolute. And if yer a non theist, that's how it stays. No justice but what you make. Good incentive to do something in life, no?  .

If I am understanding this correctly, he died while campaigning. Then afterwards, he won the election.

Voting for a dead guy.

This one goes to the book of "Stupid Laws Around The World".  

That's beyond stupid. It's...BISHROOK!

Here, if ya die, yer outta politics. Yer party finds a replacement. And it ain't gonna be your wife, unless she's the best candidate.

Pretty easy solution. Sort of like "if you're dead, you ain't got a place as a forward in Barcelona. And if you held the place and died, your wife ain't getting it."

Hey, can I vote for Elvis?  .

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