Author Topic: f4u1 vs f4u1d (Read 1483 times)

bkbandit · « **on:** July 08, 2006, 02:28:21 AM »

I fly f4u1d alot and just started to use f4u1. I figured the f4u1 would hav a tougher time competiing wit alot of the regular m/a planes back dam. No wonder the japs hated this thing, it must have been a shock to them when it first came out. Its faster then the d model???? i mean i never got 400mph on the cruze in the d but i get it wit the 1, im i crazy. Is it supposed to be like this.

Lusche · « **Reply #1 on:** July 08, 2006, 06:26:12 AM »

Just take a look at http://www.gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php?p1=f4u1&p2=f4u1d

F4UDOA · « **Reply #2 on:** July 08, 2006, 08:01:05 AM »

Yes,

The -1 will climb and accelerate slower but will outurn and is faster than the -1D at similar loads.

The -1D had more HP and a paddle blade prop but was hindered by the additional drag of two large underwing pylons otherwise it would be much faster.

Saxman · « **Reply #3 on:** July 08, 2006, 09:40:11 AM »

Although the difference in maneuverability between the -1 and -1D isn't REALLY significant. -1 turns tighter on a horizontal plane, but the -1D is better in the vertical.

I still want a TRUE F4U-1A, which depending on how you look at it, is either an F4U-1 with the paddle prop and greatly improved acceleration/climb, and bubble canopy, or a 1D without the underwing pylons and larger internal fuel capacity.

Where's your performance chart, FD? I'd like to see the one you have for the -1A speed/accel/rate of climb with the -1 and -1D super-imposed.

Widewing · « **Reply #4 on:** July 08, 2006, 10:27:26 AM »

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Originally posted by Saxman
Although the difference in maneuverability between the -1 and -1D isn't REALLY significant. -1 turns tighter on a horizontal plane, but the -1D is better in the vertical.

I still want a TRUE F4U-1A, which depending on how you look at it, is either an F4U-1 with the paddle prop and greatly improved acceleration/climb, and bubble canopy, or a 1D without the underwing pylons and larger internal fuel capacity.

Where's your performance chart, FD? I'd like to see the one you have for the -1A speed/accel/rate of climb with the -1 and -1D super-imposed.

We have an F4U-1A, sort of.... The F4U-1C is simply a rearmed F4U-1A.

My regards,

Widewing

Saxman · « **Reply #5 on:** July 08, 2006, 10:33:33 AM »

Heavier and not as maneuverable because of the cannon, tho, IIRC. 1C in the game also has the rocket rails and two pylons for external tanks/bombs which the 1A didn't (single centerline hardpoint for a drop tank or up to a 1000lb bomb like the -1, with no rockets). So the Charlie is really closer to a 1D in that regard.

Widewing · « **Reply #6 on:** July 08, 2006, 10:51:49 AM »

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Originally posted by Saxman
Heavier and not as maneuverable because of the cannon, tho, IIRC. 1C in the game also has the rocket rails and two pylons for external tanks/bombs which the 1A didn't (single centerline hardpoint for a drop tank or up to a 1000lb bomb like the -1, with no rockets). So the Charlie is really closer to a 1D in that regard.

This is true as relates to early F4U-1As, but later aircraft were upgraded in the field to include rocket tabs and so on. Early -1As were also retrofitted with water injection. The 1As were constantly being improved in the field and many served alongside the D models later in the war.

Would adding an F4U-1A be welcomed? You bet. Maybe when the Corsairs get their graphics update.... I suspect that when HTC gets to the Pacific fighters, we'll see several new fighters added (some Japanese and some Allied). However, that is probably several months behind the release of Combat Tour.

My regards,

Widewing

Saxman · « **Reply #7 on:** July 08, 2006, 12:18:08 PM »

Still, this would make the 1A more of the top dogfighter of the early-model Hog?

F4UDOA · « **Reply #8 on:** July 08, 2006, 04:02:09 PM »

I would like to have a early 1943 F4U-1 lighter without the stall fix and no water along with a 1944 F4U-1A with paddle prop and uprated engine.

Our current -1A is a hybrid.

The best tibute to the F4U in AH is the fact that of the 4 of them here two have to be perked. Even monsters like the 190D and 109K can be flown without that distinction.

FYI

A little while ago I visited the national archives and tripped over some interesting material.

1. Some of it showed the use of "chemical warefare tanks" being tested in the F4U and F6F. It even had charts discribing the smell of various chemicals such as mustard gas etc.

2. Also it showed a letter written by the fleet compaining about the deletion of the addtional tanks in the F4U-1, appantly they didn't like the loss of performance caused by the DT's but the Navy brass didn't want the cost of repair or the maintainance involved in servicing the cronically leaky wing tanks. They tested several types without success.

3. Also they tested mutiple paint finishes on the F4U-1 with and effect on speed from the high 380'sMPH to almost 420MPH with glossy Blue paint. Almost 40MPH in total speed just from paint.

There was so much material I could not even begin to get started. It is a haul to get there though so maybe next time I will find more.

bkbandit · « **Reply #9 on:** July 08, 2006, 04:52:16 PM »

with a lite breeze all corairs hit 400mph+. BUt theres no wind in m/a, it would really help when upin of the deck wit bombs.

The charts are cool but i wouldnt bet the farm on them, all the tests r done in the weeds, this is not where u want to operate wit the corsair. According to them i wouldnt turn wit a ki84 in a p51d and on the deck this is true but not up in the air.

Accel and climb rate is lower but all i fly is f4u and f6f so i really dont notice it much. but at speed it feels more nimble then the f4ud, f4ud has bubble canopy but again i fly f6f so its not a problem. i would really like to see a f4u1a, honeslty i just want to see somethin new period, when the hell is combat tour goin to be finished.

Saxman · « **Reply #10 on:** July 08, 2006, 05:03:01 PM »

Actually, if you can't out-turn a P-51 at ANY altitude, you're either doing something wrong or up against a hotter stick than the usual Runstang dweeb. Equal pilots F4U should dominate a Pony in a turn fight at ANY alt.

bozon · « **Reply #11 on:** July 08, 2006, 05:11:51 PM »

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Originally posted by F4UDOA
but was hindered by the additional drag of two large underwing pylons otherwise it would be much faster.

My guess would be that the difference in drag is mostly due to the different canopy. But I've been wrong before.

bkbandit · « **Reply #12 on:** July 08, 2006, 05:16:14 PM »

no saxman i have done in a ki84 in a p51, funny thing is that he tryed to dive away:lol. a couple of hi speed turns and a hi yo yo , dead ki84.

51d at full cruze at alt is dangerous to a f4ud, i hav killed many of them on bomber escort runs. i remember one f4u4 i chased down in a 51d, he must have forgot i can turn good at high speed or somethin, i robed him of his points quick.

F4UDOA · « **Reply #13 on:** July 08, 2006, 05:25:56 PM »

Bozon,

I have a NAVAIR doc that shows the F4U-1D without Pylons at 368MPH on the deck and 435MPH which as almost a match to the F4U-1A. So I know the -1D can go fast but not with everything hanging off of it.

bkbandit · « **Reply #14 on:** July 08, 2006, 05:55:51 PM »

that f4u1a sounds fun, i just assume it doesnt accel as fast as the d model. either way it sounds good. wit speed like that it would bridge the gap between f4u4 and f4ud.