Author Topic: Are Palm Beach residents really ignorant or is their intelligence being insulted?  (Read 1267 times)

Offline Fury

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 http://www.sun-sentinel.com/elections/palmbeachballot.htm

Please, someone explain to me how ignorant you have to be to "accidently" vote for Buchanan.

If someone is ignorant enough to punch out a hole that is not next to an arrow.....

If someone is ignorant enough to not ask questions if they question something on their ballot.....

Give me a break!

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Offline Eagler

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Yep, to dumb to read directions, too dumb to vote.

All spin.... It's embarrassing for us FL residents.


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Offline JimBear

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I guess the "Socialist Workers" Party ticket wuz robbed by the "Workers World" Party in that case.    Or is it just Democratic voters that had a problem there...I have heard of being disengaged by the election process, but unconcious while voting?

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JimBear:  LOL

"Is it just Democratic voters that had a problem there" Sure sounds like it.

Good point. Wish I'd a thought of that.


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Offline CavemanJ

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One of the stories I read on this earlier said the head of elections in Palm Beach is a democrat  
And it says they sent out test samples of the ballots before the elections, and noone said anything about them then.

The ballot shown in the link you provided looks very straight forward to me, no confusion at all here.  Prime example of people not wanting take an extra minute and read the directions before making an arse out of themselves.  Pick your candidate, follow the arrow, punch the hole it points at.  I can understand why that head of elections person is defending her work.  Too bad all them stuck up folks can't just admit they screwed up.

I say make'em stand by thier screwups.  Hell they could've asked for help and gotten it.

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Hmm,

20,000 ballots, yes twenty thousand ballots were thrown out in Palm beach county. Not including the ones that were counted as Pat Buchanon votes. That's a big number. What happened?

Well George W. Bush is the Republican canidate, brother Jeb is the Governer of Florida and Father George Senior is the Ex-director of the CIA. An agency which specializes in fixing elections. Sounds to me like somebody better call Agents Mulder and Scully, I think we have an X file  

Just for the record either winner of this election will be so tainted by it, that it will be almost impossible to govern effectively. In any case I wouldn't expect to hear the end of this until Dec. 18th, which is the date the Electorial votes are cast.

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Yeah Cavey...I just read a story this morning that said the lady in charge of the elections in West Palm Beach county is a democrat and that she wanted the ballot designed that way because of the fact that there were so many candidates for President.  She said in the story that she had it made that way so they could make the names bigger to make them easier to read.  How funny is it that nobody complained about the ballot earlier?  

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In all fairness gents - give them a break, I can see where they're coming from. Keep in mind that for lots of people all the stuff you do to get to this BBS for example would be totally incomprehensible.

We had a guy at university who could do complicated arithmetics in his head but he could not sing a single note right - it didn't mean he was dumb or treated the rest of us with calculators like dumbs. Just different, OK?

The lot of you are behaving like a bunch of spoiled Republican brats .

The problem is that the form can be misleading and that's where the problem lies. Surely no-one could predict the nail-biting finale in Florida - why can't they just come clean and accept that they'd f**ked up with the form design (which they obviously did)?



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Offline Eagler

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Originally posted by -lynx-:

The lot of you are behaving like a bunch of spoiled Republican brats  .

The problem is that the form can be misleading and that's where the problem lies. Surely no-one could predict the nail-biting finale in Florida - why can't they just come clean and accept that they'd f**ked up with the form design (which they obviously did)?


Won't fly. The ballot has been used before in past elections without any problems. Oh yeah, it was also created by the DEMOCRAT election supervisor of the West Palm Beach area. It's all spin. Sad part is, if the military vote doesn't add up, it'll work and Gore head will be our "LEADER"  

What a freaking joke.... Enough smoke and mirrors they can get away with anything!

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This ballot issue is just a smoke screen for some real skull-duggery going on behind the scenes!!!  Wexler has been all over the media the past 2 days with this non-issue!!!

We will see this afternoon what has really   been going on that Wexler has been the smoke screen for and I hope it isn't too outrageous!!

Gosh, wouldn't it be a nice time to suspend the constitution and keep Bill Clinton as Pres till this can be sorted out???

And don't think this hasn't crossed the mind of our current Pres!!!

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Originally posted by 1776:
This ballot issue is just a smoke screen for some real skull-duggery going on behind the scenes!!!  Wexler has been all over the media the past 2 days with this non-issue!!!

We will see this afternoon what has really   been going on that Wexler has been the smoke screen for and I hope it isn't too outrageous!!

Gosh, wouldn't it be a nice time to suspend the constitution and keep Bill Clinton as Pres till this can be sorted out???

And don't think this hasn't crossed the mind of our current Pres!!!

I was think the War Emergency Act (think that's what its called)where a President won't step down during a national security issue. Couple of cruise missle in the general direction of ole bin laden and Clinton continues. He could use this excuse no matter who wins.

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while you wait for the recount: http://www.tvdance.com/bush-gore/



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The real problem I have is that these people have no idea who they really voted for. Is that the fault of Bush or Gore? No!

It's the fault of those individuals who didn't take the time to read the instructions and never checked to make sure they had the correct vote.

I don't see why these morons should be able to vote again? If they get to then the whole nation should be able to.
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He heeee nice link

People here in the mid-west are outraged at what has happened in St louis!!!  I guess they found a voting machine in an empty lot!!!  I hope the FBI comes to Missouri to investigate.  Needless to say the election results aren't being challenged.

 

Offline CavemanJ

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That's the point Mighty1
No matter how the Dem's try to spin this, the simple fact remains:  The ballot is clear about where to punch for your chosen candidate.

Did these people think the arrows were put there only for decoration?  Must just be a strange coincidence that the arror starts next to the candidate's name and points directly to a punch hole.

Lynx I never said they were dumb.  I said they couldna be bothered to take an extra minute to completely read the ballot.  In the first 5 seconds I looked at that image I understood exactly how it works.  I know not everyone will pick it up that quick, but how simple do you have a make a point and click thing?  Hell the ballot does the pointing for you, and it's not like the arrows are angled up or down, they're going straight and level across the page directly to a punch hole.  There's no abiguity there.
Please explain to me how that ballot can be misleading.  There are large, black arrows extending from the candidates name and pointing directly at a punch hole, and as I said, they're straight and level across the page, not at any odd angles.

As for coming clean about messing up the ballot design, I think that woman has every right to defend her work.  Lotta old folks in Palm Beach right?  It's like a retirement community for the most part?  I know my grandparents found larger type easier to read as they got above 70.  I'm sure some prefer the smaller type too.  But this lady was trying to make it clear, and according to the reports in the stories I've read NOONE had any objections to the ballots when test samples were sent out for opinions.  THAT is when these people should have spoken out.

I almost dread the end of the recount, when the ballot smoke will be dropped and something probably worse will be revealed.

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CNN just said that all parties involved approved of the ballot's design prior to the election.  I'm sure everyone realizes that some older folks, or people with vision problems or dislexia - whatever - could have some trouble with said ballot, but since it was in fact approved, I doubt a legal challenge would amount to much.

It would be like approving the design of your house before it's built, but deciding you weren't going to pay for it once it was completed because you now realized it's uglier in real life than on paper.