10 Things You'll See In AvA Arena that You Won't See In MA

[Bronk]

Originally posted by 1Duke1
LOL come on OM, you know it's easier to bash and ridicule rather than offer something constructive, or listen to sound reasoning!!:aok

Cmon, every time Kev has a problem with a plane set he backs it up.
Then every time the same reason is used " If plane X is in the set people wont fly here.".


I have no problem with the AvA  I fly in there when MA bores me.
I'll fly what ever is in the plane set.
Just don't go calling it historical cus we all know it is not.



Bronk

[Bronk]

Originally posted by Slash27
Go dig up where I contridicted myself on "historical plane sets" and Ill agree with you. Assumptions dont count as facts btw.

OK you said
"Go ahead dig up when and where then current AvA staff made claim that all sets will be 100% historically accurate 100% of the time while always catering to a LW squads whims and wishes. I'll settle if you can find where its even implied.



Assumtions, personal bias, baseless accusations, and lies. You guys consider that a valid argument?".

From thread
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=178786&perpage=40&highlight=historicly%20accurate&pagenumber=1

Now you will reply with 100% being a caveat.
As to the personal Bias comment yup both sides.
You want to call it trying to be accurate .  I jump up and down calling you on it.

Baseless accusations??? I was agreeing with only with kev on Spit MK entry dates.
Lies now you can go find something about this topic I lied about.
Hows that for a valid argument ehh.


Guys don't think I have something against the AvA staff. Cuz I don't. You all do a thankless job. We just have a difference of opinion. I get mixed information from the ava staff.. like this thread for instance.  
Like I said in other posts on this topic either you strive to be accurate or you don't. Subbing for planes that are missing yup good call can work with it. But burring you heads in the sand and ignoring an AC that was actually used.... Come on .


Bronk

[Bronk]

Originally posted by Oldman731
How about "more historical than what you find in the MA," does that suit you?

I'm constantly amazed that three or four dogs in the manger feel such a compulsion to trash the AvA whenever it comes up.  If you don't want to fly there, that's fine, but why the knee-jerk tirades over something you know very little about?

- oldman

Oldman,
I am not trashing the AvA or it's staff. What I am doing is pointing out what I see is a flaw nothing more.
Lemme reverse this a little bit suppose you didn't add the k4 to a plane set.
Then you add cause it would be to unbalancing. What  you do you suppose would happen.

Bronk

[AutoPilot]

1:Winter terrain

should read:   1:Wineter  terrain with Altitude spawns.


mosy won't fly in the AvA for several reasons, people runnin other people off by treating them like crap,no spit 16's, la's or other late war dweeb rides that are on full time in the MA.I have always promoted the AvA but it is really hard too get folks to come in there and play.maybe change the name again,that always sparks intrest.........

[mojo7]

Originally posted by lazs2
I have had times in the ava that were fun and times that were worse than the ma...  

the historical planesets mostly sucks with very little variety and... the place can be nothing but a few squads gangbanging .... it also does have it's share of timid players the players are not anything special either...but...

The ma has gotten so bad lately that...  Oh well... I think the only way most people in the ma want to fight is if they can get planes landing or taking off or.... in that first visor down jousting head on charge.

The ma has proven that teamwork and organization lead to boredom.

The ma has proven that if you have a game with a really low price per month you get a whole bunch of guys that you would be better off not having to play.

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

Nobody has to go to the main arena if they don't want to.

Word of advice: if you don’t want to be quoted for being critical of the Main Arena.., resist the urge — don’t criticize it. If tempted close your eyes and repeat the phrase "Lots of good fights" or join the closest horde.

Through long experience, this has been found to be the most effective way to rejoin your fellow sleepwalkers...

Reo
Crisis Communications for Women’s Wear Daily

[Kev367th]

Originally posted by AutoPilot
should read:   1:Wineter  terrain with Altitude spawns.


mosy won't fly in the AvA for several reasons, people runnin other people off by treating them like crap,no spit 16's, la's or other late war dweeb rides that are on full time in the MA.I have always promoted the AvA but it is really hard too get folks to come in there and play.maybe change the name again,that always sparks intrest.........

Wouldn't be so bad, but a 1944 Spit XVI performs NO BETTER than a 1943 LF IXc, only difference is 50cals v .303s.

Yet this plane is SO unbalancing to the late war LW rides it has to be deliberatley excluded from setups it would historically be in.

I suppose if the VIII had been clipped it would be gone from the AvA also.

Maybe some need to look at Spit VIII v Spit XVI comparison -
http://www.gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php?p1=spit16&p2=spit8

Spit VIII - 1943
Spit XVI - 1944 aka Spit LF IXe
Spit LF IXc - 1943 (Spit XVI with .303s in place of 50cals)

Huge difference in performance...NOT. Only big difference is the XVI roll rate, but this would also apply to a clipped 1943 LF IXc or a clipped VIII.

[Bronk]

Or the Mk IX from the north Africa set up.
Repeat after me .


It was never there.....It was never there.





There that fixes it.

Ohh but it's ok to sub early fw190 with the A5.



Bronk

[Kev367th]

Or the LF IXe (XVI) from the Italy setup (for which there is a HISTORICAL skin!!!, 40sqn SAAF)-
Repeat after me .


It was never there.....It was never there.





There that fixes it.

In all honesty, everyone should give the AvA a try, even if just once.
I did the first week it was relaunched, just didn't like it, was expecting more.
Just for the moment it seems to have fallen back into it's old CT mentality.

[KONG1]

Kevy's got a lot of books on airplanes.
Repeat after me .


Nobody cares.....Nobody cares.




Sorry couldn't resist

[Kev367th]

Althoguh Kevy's got work soon

[Bear76]

Some people just aren't happy unless there ******in about something:(

[StarOfAfrica2]

Originally posted by Bear76
Some people just aren't happy unless there ******in about something:(

You just figured that out?

[lazs2]

mojo... after the first sentance I didn't I didn't understand your comment.  Was it english of some kind?

The whole thread was simply a put down of other peoples styles and a attempt at being elitists.

The ma is bad and getting worse but... the ava isn't much of an alternative with much of the same problems and some that are unique to it.

like....

low numbers... stilted planesets with lack of variety that only an ava planeset can have...

one suad or group being able to dominate due to lack of numbers..

an inability of most of it's players to accept the fact that they are mostly just mediocre so far as skills go.

on the plus side... it does have a few players like oldman who are class acts and the lack of numbers allow them to stand out.

and... less land grab timid horders.

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

[SirLoin]

Originally posted by lazs2


The whole thread was simply a put down of other peoples styles and a attempt at being elitists.

Elitist arena?

i can't believe the negative feedback for an alternate arena where most everyone that loggs in has a great time.

[storch]

Originally posted by SirLoin
Elitist arena?

i can't believe the negative feedback for an alternate arena where most everyone that loggs in has a great time.

sssssshhhhhh leave them in the MA.
 sirloin is plain wrong and as far as correctness goes,  lasz is 100%  kev is 244.34% and bronk is so right he's going full circle to being wrong.

stay away from the AvA.  it sucks.  I never go there ask anyone.