Fox news reports "Israel at war"

[xrtoronto]

Is there a full moon tonight or something?

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by Vad
My answer - there is no such thing like terrorism in the world.
From your point of view, Hezbollah and Al'Qaida are terrorist , and the USA and Israel fight againns terrorism. Similar, for me Chechen rebels are terrorists, and we are right when killed Basaev.
But the problem is that  they think exactly the same - we are terrorists, and they are fighting against terror. Where is difference between us? The USA (or Russia, or Israel, doesn't matter in this case) never killed civilians? I don't even want to say that actually all terrorist are "civilians", they are not serving in any army of any state. So, in the worst case they are criminal according to law, and have must be treated according criminal code and human rights. They should have right to lawyer, court, phone call, etc. If we kill them like wolfs from helicopters, tanks, planes violating our own laws they have all rights to use any methods to protect themself and protest against.

So forget about "we are good guys, and they are bad guys", we are absolutely the same.

But there is one difference between us.
They killed one of our guys, and we didn't get any additional resources from this death. May be some frustration in society, some kind of retalitaion, revenge.... we will kill some of them.... ok. But we lost one.
We kill one of them, and several others will replace him. More we kill more they blow in.

We will lose this game if we will act like now.

And regarding horses... ok, you will survive if you know so much. But first of all you will need to kill hundreds of you neighbours to get enough land to feed yourself and your family.  Terrorists will be angels by the side of  you...

I don't have to kill anyone. We already own the land. Besides, over here there's plenty of land. I don't have to kill anyone, and I don't want to.

The rest of what you have to say is moral relativism, and I don't buy any of that B.S., so don't bother, you're wasting my time and yours. No, we aren't the same as Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, the PLO, the PLA, Black September, or Al Queada. If you think you are the same as them, then put yourself in that group.

[BUG_EAF322]

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[Vad]

Originally posted by lukster
You may be the same as those who refuse peace while intentionally blowing up school busses and cafes but don't lump me in with that crowd.

It means that you are against the war in Iraq where US struck houses, killed civilians? You are against Drezden and Hirochima bombing. You are against bombing Hanoi. You are pacifist!

Or you are not? May be  you are just against enemy's actions like this, but when your country do that it is ok? When your country is bombing and killing civilians it is just accidental casualties. "Sorry, so happen, this is the war". But when enemies do the same  it is terrorism. Do you forget  that you have declared war on terrorism? Do you forget that Hezbollah  and Hamas never signed peace with Israel? Or you have invented new type of war - your country in state of war but your enemy is not. So kind of one-way-war... Funny.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
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LOL. That brush was a little broad.  It should have been left in the bucket.

[lukster]

Originally posted by Vad
It means that you are against the war in Iraq where US struck houses, killed civilians? You are against Drezden and Hirochima bombing. You are against bombing Hanoi. You are pacifist!

Or you are not? May be  you are just against enemy's actions like this, but when your country do that it is ok? When your country is bombing and killing civilians it is just accidental casualties. "Sorry, so happen, this is the war". But when enemies do the same  it is terrorism. Do you forget  that you have declared war on terrorism? Do you forget that Hezbollah  and Hamas never signed peace with Israel? Or you have invented new type of war - your country in state of war but your enemy is not. So kind of one-way-war... Funny.

I wasn't alive during WWII and take no responsibility for anything that happened then.

I definitely do not support intentionally targetting civilians in Iraq. The US has exercised much caution to prevent collateral damage and has largely been successful. If we were of the same mindset as those terrorists you mentioned, Baghdad would be a sea of glass. Are you forgetting that we actually have the power these animals only crave?

[Vad]

Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
I don't have to kill anyone. We already own the land. Besides, over here there's plenty of land. I don't have to kill anyone, and I don't want to.

The rest of what you have to say is moral relativism, and I don't buy any of that B.S., so don't bother, you're wasting my time and yours. No, we aren't the same as Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, the PLO, the PLA, Black September, or Al Queada. If you think you are the same as them, then put yourself in that group.

Unfortunately, I don't have enough land to feed myself, and a lot of people around don't have too. W are not far from you.  So, in case of collapse you will have to kill, otherwise you will be dead.

And it doesn't matter what do you or don't buy. My moral relativism is the result of being on the different sides during my life, and I know what I am talking about. You don't have such experience so you are just thinking that you are different. You want to believe in that but you don't know for sure.

I know - you are the same as all other people in the world.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by Vad
It means that you are against the war in Iraq where US struck houses, killed civilians? You are against Drezden and Hirochima bombing. You are against bombing Hanoi. You are pacifist!

Or you are not? May be  you are just against enemy's actions like this, but when your country do that it is ok? When your country is bombing and killing civilians it is just accidental casualties. "Sorry, so happen, this is the war". But when enemies do the same  it is terrorism. Do you forget  that you have declared war on terrorism? Do you forget that Hezbollah  and Hamas never signed peace with Israel? Or you have invented new type of war - your country in state of war but your enemy is not. So kind of one-way-war... Funny.

So, the PLO bomb in the pizza parlor "accidentally" killed civilians. When did pizza parlors become air force bases? Or are they naval bases.

So, the planes hitting the World Trade Center actually struck a military target, and the 3,000 civilian dead were "collateral" casualties.

Exactly how big is the steam shovel you're trying to heave that B.S. with?


Hiroshima and Nagasaki were industrial cities of a nation we were at war with, declared war between two recognized sovereign nations.

The same applies to Dresden.

And in both cases, the planes were military planes, with military markings from their nation of origin, flown by uniformed military crew.

Neither of the second two are remotely similar to the first two.

Once again, moral relativism is B.S. Plain and simple.

Hanoi was also a case of military planes, in military markings, flown by uniformed military crews.

In Iraq, great measures were and still are being taken to limit collateral damage and casualties. To the point where coalition soldiers are put at excessive risk and often do not return fire when fired upon from crowds of civilians or from mosques.

You show me any instances of Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, the PLO, the PLA, or Al Queada even remotely attempting to limit collateral damage or casualties. Hell, their GOAL is collateral damage and casualties, and it has been from the beginning. Further, none of them are uniformed military personnel of any rtecognized sovereign nation.

So, your B.S. moral relativism doesn't wash, and your comparisons are not even close to valid.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by Vad
Unfortunately, I don't have enough land to feed myself, and a lot of people around don't have too. W are not far from you.  So, in case of collapse you will have to kill, otherwise you will be dead.

And it doesn't matter what do you or don't buy. My moral relativism is the result of being on the different sides during my life, and I know what I am talking about. You don't have such experience so you are just thinking that you are different. You want to believe in that but you don't know for sure.

I know - you are the same as all other people in the world.

In case of collapse, you have a LONG way to go to get to me. It'll be a Hell of a trip without mechanized transportation.

Your moral relativism is just that. Because it applies to you does not mean it applies to me. It does not.

You do not know that I am the same as anyone. You should be so wise as to not paint everyone with a broad brush.

[ghi]

Few weeks ago i read the book below, they sell it in Wal Mart,interesting prophetic conections, acording with them we are very close to the end ,

[ClevMan]

Originally posted by Thrawn
Some guy just said that Canada is now at war with Tahiti.  Godspeed my fellow Canadians in the successful defence of Canada and/or let me be the first to welcome our new Tahitian Overlords.

I heard it the invasion is called OPERATION LEAF BLOWER...

[Pooh21]

Originally posted by ghi
Few weeks ago i read the book below, they sell it in Wal Mart,interesting prophetic conections, acording with them we are very close to the end ,


 

If we are think of how cool it would be to get to watch.

[GtoRA2]

Originally posted by lukster
First post? Do I need to read anything else you've written to know that Israel was attacked by Hezbolah? They certainly have the right to respond. I'm glad you're decision not to support them because they didn't wait for permission to defend temselves means squat when it comes to what the US will or won't do.

Dude come on, if you had read my earlier post you fully see I support Israel declaring war over this.

I SUPRORT ISRAEL.  


Now see how stupid you look?

See how easy it would have been to go read something before you make a stupid assumption?

Man I was joking about the yellow bus thing but you is really making me wonder.


You’re a joke right?

[boxboy28]

OK half way thru the blah blah blah they, we, them he, she  and some other dude............i quit reading!


1st things 1st............... im not on  every news story or new development but  Isreal has several reasons for there actions and its not 2 solders kidnapped and killed - there were alot more.........


I hate the fact that the US of (Motha F-in A) has to be the only one who will help them (isreal) but i see thing differently............


Hezbalhhaha(how ever spelled)   seems like its a part of the Extreme Muslim ideals  and basically picking on the little brother of the USA (stupid lil brother granted)  But as stated before..................its basically a call for all out war!  they hit the lil guy in the middle while the big guy(the USA) is  busy fighting .... right  next to Hezbalaha big brother(supporter and mistchifmaker) Iran.................... i see bad day ahead unless this is squeltched soon!

[lukster]

Originally posted by GtoRA2
Dude come on, if you had read my earlier post you fully see I support Israel declaring war over this.

I SUPRORT ISRAEL.  


Now see how stupid you look?

See how easy it would have been to go read something before you make a stupid assumption?

Man I was joking about the yellow bus thing but you is really making me wonder.


You’re a joke right?

You support Israel but you don't support the US doing anything. I may be stupid but please explain just exactly how you plan to support Israel if you insist on not doing anything. This isn't a rhetorical question.



"I fully suppor Israel going to war over this.


I do not support the US helping for any reason. If They can't handle it solo they should not have gone solo.



We are already fighter terror on two fronts with two few troops."