Author Topic: israel in war (Read 7666 times)

Saintaw · « **Reply #105 on:** July 17, 2006, 11:08:05 AM »

Dear Lurkster,

At the age of 12, I had already lived in four different countries (3 continents), I pretty much kept the same pace the rest of my life. I realy couldn't care less of political lines marked in the ground.

I go where the money/opportunity is. If they have to start throwing punches for a piece of desert/jungle/riviera... let'em have it, without me.

Edit: Haven't been in SA, but I was in Barhein for a while. Hotels look the same everywhere. (They actualy look better over there)

takeda · « **Reply #106 on:** July 17, 2006, 11:11:29 AM »

No, he says he would move from there too, as would I. I like having a job, food on my table, an internet connection, and enough freedom to do whatever I reasonably fancy.
I won't stay a minute where I can't get that safely. Others can stay and die for their flag,king,country or whatever as they please. Anyone living in the ME having the chance of going to Europe or the USA is too brave for his own good.

lukster · « **Reply #107 on:** July 17, 2006, 11:14:34 AM »

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More your sort of scene I would have thought -- desert, oil, high-levels of capital punishment, religious nuts running the show. Sounds like Texas to me.

Seriously, though: if the cash was right - why not?

Why not? Provided you don't enjoy a beer or sex outside of marriage or freedom of religion or many other things typically allowed by less restrictive societies then indeed, why not?

lukster · « **Reply #108 on:** July 17, 2006, 11:21:02 AM »

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Originally posted by takeda
No, he says he would move from there too, as would I. I like having a job, food on my table, an internet connection, and enough freedom to do whatever I reasonably fancy.
I won't stay a minute where I can't get that safely. Others can stay and die for their flag,king,country or whatever as they please. Anyone living in the ME having the chance of going to Europe or the USA is too brave for his own good.

Lemme see if I'm understanding you guys right? So long as there is a place where you can have your freedoms and enjoy a relatively prosperous life you're willing to let someone else provide it or defend it from those who would take it away? Is that it?

-dead- · « **Reply #109 on:** July 17, 2006, 11:22:35 AM »

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Originally posted by lukster
Why not? Provided you don't enjoy a beer or sex outside of marriage or freedom of religion or many other things typically allowed by less restrictive societies then indeed, why not?

OK I'm married, firmly convinced (and often daily reminded) that all religions are silly, and can take or leave beer. So yet again - if the money's right: why not?

lukster · « **Reply #110 on:** July 17, 2006, 11:27:32 AM »

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OK I'm married, firmly convinced (and often daily reminded) that all religions are silly, and can take or leave beer. So yet again - if the money's right: why not?

I hear the money can be good there so what're ya waitng for?

Brenjen · « **Reply #111 on:** July 17, 2006, 11:37:51 AM »

I'm pretty much wondering why my thread was locked & this nearly identical one has been left open. That BS aside; I'll copy & paste what I said in my opening post in the locked thread.

"I hope all our Israeli members are able to come through this most recent conflict without any personal tragedies. Good luck Israel, strike swiftly, strike hard & don't back down. Your enemies are nothing but terrorsists & terorist supporters."

Thrawn · « **Reply #112 on:** July 17, 2006, 12:23:53 PM »

So lukster, you sign up with the IDF yet?

lukster · « **Reply #113 on:** July 17, 2006, 12:31:06 PM »

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So lukster, you sign up with the IDF yet?

I'm retired USAF. Even if i weren't too old I think the USAF would frown on me joining a foreign service. Why do you ask?

Eagler · « **Reply #114 on:** July 17, 2006, 12:47:42 PM »

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Originally posted by Brenjen
"I hope all our Israeli members are able to come through this most recent conflict without any personal tragedies. Good luck Israel, strike swiftly, strike hard & don't back down. Your enemies are nothing but terrorsists & terorist supporters."

and the sooner they drag Syria and Iran into it the better .. time to take out the trash .. Go Israel!

~Caligula~ · « **Reply #115 on:** July 17, 2006, 01:37:21 PM »

back to the topic..

there`s something different about this current war (skirmish, bloodshed). i might be wrong, but this time israel gets way more support from the rest of the world than in the past. i think people finally start to understand what`s going on, what we have to deal here with.
i remember arguing on this very bbs for the case of israel at the time the idf was fighting the battle of "jeningrad" (arafat`s brainchild). i was pretty much ganged up on. now much more take our side, and less call our actions unjustified.

anyways...
just watched a press conference where the head of the iaf showed films of hits in lebanon. huge secondary explosions, trails of rockets from launchsites before the hit, and a misfire wich fell back on beirut. that was the one that looked like a downed airplane.
mind u that these sites were all in residential areas. that`s where they set them up intentionally. that is just how they go about their business.

i like what my government is doing to secure our life. period.

btw i live in tel aviv, life here hasn`t changed. no air raid sirens, no attacks.
in jerusalem a would be suicide bomber was caught today.
life goes on.....

Thrawn · « **Reply #116 on:** July 17, 2006, 02:39:54 PM »

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Originally posted by lukster
I'm retired USAF. Even if i weren't too old I think the USAF would frown on me joining a foreign service. Why do you ask?

Because I'm amazingly ticked off at some of the comments made in this thread and you were the first target I picked. But really it's not you per se but the just a general attitude and inanity, I offer my apologies.

"and the sooner they drag Syria and Iran into it the better .. time to take out the trash .. Go Israel!"

This is probably demonstrates it the best. Whoo-hoo, let's hope the war escalates. People seem to forget the simple fact that war is bad. Some trash may die, but also simple human beings with families and friends that just want to be left alone to live thier lives are also dying. And when a war escalates more and more die.

Then there is the seemingly obvious fact (if one where to bother looking at a map) that Iran and Israel can't go to war...at least without dragging Iraq into it and that simply isn't going to happen.

And how the hell would Israel occupy Lebanon, Syria and Iran. They simply can't. They've already tried occupying southern Lebanon and they can't. Fourth generation warfare is a *****.

It seems that even after the example of Iraq people still think short-term/invasion. Who cares if you win the invasion? It's the occupation, if you don't win that then a bunch of people just died for no damn good reason.

As Gerry Brecher likes to say, war is just demographics in a hurry. Let's look at some.

Israel
Population: 6,352,117
Birth rate: 17.97 births/1,000 population (2006 est.)
Births per year: 113,829

Iran
Population: 68,688,433 (July 2006 est.)
Birth rate: 17 births/1,000 population (2006 est.)
Births per year: 1,167,703

Lebanon
Population: 3,874,050 (July 2006 est.)
Birth rate: 18.52 births/1,000 population (2006 est.)
Births per year: 33,007

Syria
Population: 18,881,361
Birth rate: 27.76 births/1,000 population (2006 est.)
Births per year: 524,147

So 113,829 births a year for Israel verses 1,724,857 for Lebanon, Syria, and Iran. And that isn't even including the Palistinians. Israel isn't and can't win.

Cripes, and this doesn't even touch on the economics.

Eagler · « **Reply #117 on:** July 17, 2006, 02:59:42 PM »

who said anything about an invasion? bomb them into submission

I am for a peaceful resolution, just don't see that happening so I want all the players to come to the table, not hide behind their thugs and throw punches .. stand up front and fight themselves

Thrawn · « **Reply #118 on:** July 17, 2006, 03:05:39 PM »

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who said anything about an invasion? bomb them into submission

I am for a peaceful resolution, just don't see that happening so I want all the players to come to the table, not hide behind their thugs and throw punches .. stand up front and fight themselves

...said the guy that is wants the Israel to fight Syria, Lebanon and Iran because he wants the trash taken out.

Edbert1 · « **Reply #119 on:** July 17, 2006, 03:07:03 PM »

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Its just that every time civilians are hurt then the pity always falls on those that are you "our/your" side but those on the "other" side are just inevetable casualties of war.

I feel sorry for the civilians who must die in this war, as they always have died in other wars. The ones I feel the most sympathy for are the ones who are actually the targets. I certainly feel sorrier for them than the ones who live in an apartment next door to a rocket-launcher.

But to consider your words, you may be right to some degree, I don't feel a lot of pity for the civilians who died in the Tokyo fire-raids, or Dresden/Berlin either...and they WERE the targets back then.

Also, while it is true that not all Muslims are terrorists, the overwhelming majority of terrorists are Muslim. The world would truly be a better/safer place without Islam.