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Offline Kurt

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« Reply #60 on: July 18, 2006, 07:42:00 PM »
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PILOT EXPERIENCE

Ratings:
•Commercial rating
•Instrument rating
• He is the only FAA Authorized Instructor for the Hawker Hunter swept wing, transonic jet fighter; authorized to train pilots to fly this aircraft and recommend them to the FAA; and to requalify pilots after lapse of proficiency. He is also an Authorized Instructor for the Soko Galeb, F4U Corsair, Skyraider, Sea Fury, P-51 Mustang, T-28 and Spitfire.

Hours:
•4,000 + hours since 1961
•44 years as a licensed pilot

Aviation Activities - Past and Present:
•Chairman of the Board, Classic Jet Aircraft Association (promoting private operation of surplus military jet aircraft)
•Co-founder, Warbirds of America, an international organization dedicated to the preservation of military aircraft (presently a division of the Experimental Aircraft Association)
•Chief Pilot, Vice President, Trustee, Museum of Flying, Santa Monica, California
•Founder and President, Mustang Pilot's Club, Inc.
•Vice President, Supermarine Aviation, Ltd.
•Vice President, Liberty Aero Corporation
•Vice-President of NATO Aviation
•Participant since 1970 in Reno Air Races, Unlimited Class
•Counsel to Transonic Flight Test, Ltd., operating Folland Gnat Aircraft
•Counsel to Hunter Flight Test, Ltd., operating Hawker Hunter Jet Fighter Aircraft

Aircraft currently or previously owned:
•Owner/Pilot of a Soko Galeb G-2A Jet Fighter and Hawker Hunter Mk. 58 swept-wing British Fighter
•Former owner/pilot of: racing Corsair, "Blue Max"; P-51 Mustang (2); Hawker Sea Fury; Hawker Hunter T.8C & GA-ll

Qualified as Pilot-In-Command in:
•F4U Corsair (FG-1D, F4U-4, F4U-7)
•Spitfire (Mk IX & Mk XIV)
•F8F Bearcat
•P-51 Mustang
•T-6
•T-28
•AD Skyraider
•Hawker Sea Fury
•Soko Galeb
•Hawker Hunter


This is a refreshing read.  I am happy to see that I was right to offer up some kind of support for this guy and an assumption that he was properly qualified.

The downside is that I see from his references that he was involved in some Southern California Aviation organizations with which I am familiar and donate to.  That makes it a little more personal, which I could have done without.

Thanks for getting the scoop on this guy ChickenHawk, hopefully it will put a stop to all the verbal diarreah (sp?) in this thread.
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« Reply #61 on: July 18, 2006, 08:30:31 PM »
one more thing....radio communications between pilot and the tower controllers is a huge help in these cases. We have radios that can hear these conversations. There are 2 different parts of the tower communications, one is the ground control, where the FAA controllers are talking to the pilot while on the ground, and than there are the air traffic controllers who talk to the pilot while in the air.  These are the two main forms of communication for any and all traffic. I monitored the radio all day since our truck was sitting about 150 yards off the approach end of the runway. There was no traffic from the pilot from the time he got permission to taxi to his tragic emergency. This will add to the speculation as to what exactly happened. The NTSB is now conducting an investigation, and it will take 6 months to complete. But for now, all we know about that fateful flight is that a beautiful plane and a skilled pilot were lost, but really know one understands how or why.
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« Reply #62 on: July 18, 2006, 08:34:10 PM »
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I'm a cynic, a heck of a cynic especially when it comes to unqualified pilots flying very high performance airplanes into the ground.  Nothing more makes me mad than reading a story about some wealthy ******* who couldn't fly out of a wet paper bag burying an airplane into some homes.  It's great that they can afford to keep them flying but that doesn't mean they should be the ones flying them.

With the details in the posts prior to mine combined with the effects of a hearty amount of alcohol you have an unfiltered and unbiased opinion.  It's staying.  No point sugar coating to make others feel warm and fuzzy.



It really is amazing to see the rubbish some low time neophyte corporate right seaters spew.  Their egos are so huge, skill sets so low, they feel the need to spout out at any given chance they get to make themselvbes appear better than they truly are.  Sadly, they neglect to realise that the only ones that actually believe their little ego trips and chest thumping are other low time right seaters that share the same ego.  

Unfortunately there seems to be more and more imbeciles starting out in corporate/commercial aviation each year.   Keep on believing that know one will ever match your amazing 733t skilz at piloting your way to stardom.

Anyways, to all you know-it-all noob corporate right seaters.  You are truly all God's Gifts to aviation and the world in general.    :rolleyes:
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« Reply #63 on: July 18, 2006, 09:01:39 PM »
Yeah, the guy sounds like a real rookie.

BTW, Golfer, do you like your crow salted or plain?
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« Reply #64 on: July 18, 2006, 09:30:31 PM »
Hell the guy had a real honest to God P51 LOA as well as other stuff. Golfer should be his good buddy and all.
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« Reply #65 on: July 18, 2006, 10:37:03 PM »
Cert envy methinks.
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« Reply #66 on: July 18, 2006, 11:19:07 PM »
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Hell the guy had a real honest to God P51 LOA as well as other stuff. Golfer should be his good buddy and all.


Me thinks Golfer is probably flying around with Straiga in his 51 right now....  doing slow rolls through blimp hangars.  :rolleyes:
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« Reply #67 on: July 18, 2006, 11:21:24 PM »
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Me thinks Golfer is probably flying around with Straiga in his 51 right now....  doing slow rolls through blimp hangars.  :rolleyes:


That was a GREAT thread!!!

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« Reply #68 on: July 18, 2006, 11:25:41 PM »
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Yeah, the guy sounds like a real rookie.

BTW, Golfer, do you like your crow salted or plain?


He'll have a double helping this time, uncooked, with feathers, beak, and feet.
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« Reply #69 on: July 19, 2006, 06:45:06 AM »
OMTG bodhi are you implying that golfer is voss?
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« Reply #70 on: July 19, 2006, 08:23:16 AM »
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OMTG bodhi are you implying that golfer is voss?


Golfer has neither the style nor consistency to be Voss, nor does Straiga.
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« Reply #71 on: July 19, 2006, 08:32:07 AM »
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It really is amazing to see the rubbish some low time neophyte corporate right seaters spew.  Their egos are so huge, skill sets so low, they feel the need to spout out at any given chance they get to make themselvbes appear better than they truly are.  Sadly, they neglect to realise that the only ones that actually believe their little ego trips and chest thumping are other low time right seaters that share the same ego.  

Unfortunately there seems to be more and more imbeciles starting out in corporate/commercial aviation each year.   Keep on believing that know one will ever match your amazing 733t skilz at piloting your way to stardom.

Anyways, to all you know-it-all noob corporate right seaters.  You are truly all God's Gifts to aviation and the world in general.    :rolleyes:


I'd like to have you point out where I say I'm the new Bob Hoover, Bodhi.   Would I be safe in an F-86 tomorrow?  I think not.  Fly a 2000hp round engine in front of an F4U?  Well if I take a look and see the biggest motor I've flown behind in a piston airplane is 400hp with a nosewheel, 300 with a tailwheel I'd venture a guess at no.  As far as who should be flying the airplanes this guy fit the bill as to who exactly you'd want in the cockpit.  

When I made my first post these were the facts.

-Hawker Hunter smashes into houses presumably after an airshow after serving as a static display (Implying that no waiver granted to fly said airplane in said airshow)

-Pilot is an Attorney.  Implying not a career military pilot with extensive training in similar jets...of which pilots are becoming increasingly rare.

After watching both very qualified guys and others who shouldn't have been able to sit in the damn thing fly an airplane into the ground just the possibility that some rich guy farting around in his toy took it into some houses really made me mad.  Not because an unqualified guy took it into the ground, but because if he did he put perfectly innocent people in danger doing so.  There is nothing worse in my book.

After seeing the video...another point I've made before regarding eyewitness statements regarding airplane accidents.  How many times have you heard a witness explain that a PT-6 was "revving up and down like a race car" or something similar.  The first statements talking about the engine making noise and then nosing over sound just like a recent accident in which I lost a friend in a business jet.  He was captain, FO was flying and stalled the airplane turning base.

Between emotion, alcohol and being tired I gave a non warm-fuzzy opinion.  There it is.  I'll try to be PC next time some unqualified ******* flys himself into the ground if it makes you feel better.

The witness statements didn't say anything about a quiet airplane dropping like a rock exactly like a hunter would.  But when's the last time they were close to reliable.

As far as Straiga...I'll just resurrect the old and say I would have done everything just the same fighting to give em a fair deal.

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« Reply #72 on: July 19, 2006, 08:45:22 AM »
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I'd like to have you point out where I say I'm the new Bob Hoover, Bodhi.   Would I be safe in an F-86 tomorrow?  I think not.  Fly a 2000hp round engine in front of an F4U?  Well if I take a look and see the biggest motor I've flown behind in a piston airplane is 400hp with a nosewheel, 300 with a tailwheel I'd venture a guess at no.  As far as who should be flying the airplanes this guy fit the bill as to who exactly you'd want in the cockpit.  

When I made my first post these were the facts.

-Hawker Hunter smashes into houses presumably after an airshow after serving as a static display (Implying that no waiver granted to fly said airplane in said airshow)

-Pilot is an Attorney.  Implying not a career military pilot with extensive training in similar jets...of which pilots are becoming increasingly rare.

After watching both very qualified guys and others who shouldn't have been able to sit in the damn thing fly an airplane into the ground just the possibility that some rich guy farting around in his toy took it into some houses really made me mad.  Not because an unqualified guy took it into the ground, but because if he did he put perfectly innocent people in danger doing so.  There is nothing worse in my book.

After seeing the video...another point I've made before regarding eyewitness statements regarding airplane accidents.  How many times have you heard a witness explain that a PT-6 was "revving up and down like a race car" or something similar.  The first statements talking about the engine making noise and then nosing over sound just like a recent accident in which I lost a friend in a business jet.  He was captain, FO was flying and stalled the airplane turning base.

Between emotion, alcohol and being tired I gave a non warm-fuzzy opinion.  There it is.  I'll try to be PC next time some unqualified ******* flys himself into the ground if it makes you feel better.

The witness statements didn't say anything about a quiet airplane dropping like a rock exactly like a hunter would.  But when's the last time they were close to reliable.

As far as Straiga...I'll just resurrect the old and say I would have done everything just the same fighting to give em a fair deal.


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« Reply #73 on: July 19, 2006, 08:53:32 AM »
If that is the case it clearly takes one to know one.

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« Reply #74 on: July 19, 2006, 08:55:31 AM »
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One can be an egotistical arrogant arse and be safer in the air than mr 'nice guy' or mr 'natural' who are pushing their limits.

You might not like Golfer's attitude but I don't read anything making a 'crater waiting to happen' out of him.
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