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Offline Krusty

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« Reply #60 on: July 18, 2006, 06:03:57 PM »
As a side note, "Japs" is not an offensive slur. "slant-eye" or something similar would be. "Japs" is a nickname. Like "Brits" "Yanks" "Krauts" and so forth. Americans shorten probably 99.9999% of all names down to 1 syllable at some time or another. That's a product of the language, and holds no connotation negative or positive, other than the full word has.

In war with Japan, people are going to spit out the word "Japanese" with the same vehemence as they would "Nazi" -- doesn't mean the word is a slur, just means they (at this time) hate the people.

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« Reply #61 on: July 18, 2006, 06:07:10 PM »
Yes it is. Look in a dictionary, Krusty.

Jap
n. Offensive Slang
Used as a disparaging term for a person of Japanese birth or descent.

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n. Offensive Slang
Used as a disparaging term for a Black person.

(This really is my last post.  If someone wants to argue with the dictionary, have at it :) )
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« Reply #62 on: July 18, 2006, 06:11:03 PM »
Eventually some soldiers of every country in a war go bad.  It is the nature of warfare.  I for one feel for all the innocent children who get and have gotten caught up in wars.  It is a crime that humanity has yet to wipe from the face of the planet.  To this day there are children dying in every conflict that is going on at the moment.  Did we have to hit hiroshima and Nagasaki, that is a question that is mute.  Maybe we could have dropped one or two in areas that would have let the Japanese see what they eventually saw without killing so many children, but then again that question will never be answered!  I think MacAurthur showed the Japanese people that whatever the US did during the war, we were willing to treat the Japanese with honor afterwards.  Yes you have some, maybe many in Japan that would like to rewrite history and show americans in a bad light, but many more find that if they could have been captured by any of their enemies, they would rather it be Americans.  Sometimes crimes have to be committed in war as a sort of endall to the main problem, but its how you show your former enemies honor that will count in the end! Although I have posted on this I would hope that skuzzy would either lock or move this thread as this is not the forum for this type of discussion!
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« Reply #63 on: July 18, 2006, 06:18:16 PM »
With all due respect Krusty (and agreeing with your POV by the way), whether the term was ever meant to be derogatory or not is irrellevant, if it is taken that way.  Just sayin.

I remember when I started playing AH regularly, and tried out the Combat Theater (our current AvA arena).  It was a Pacific setup, and there were a few good fights to be had.  Then someone started on what I am sure was a mock verbal assult on "japs".  My wife was with me, watching, as she hadnt yet been turned off by the foul language of the MA, and she left the room.  It embarrassed her and quite frankly hurt her feelings some of the things they were saying.  To be quite frank, it ticked me off.  Still, I politely asked the people in the arena not to use those terms.  I was blasted every which way possible.  I didnt attack anyone or ask them to give anything up.  I just asked them to be more polite.  Instead they became less so.

From what I've seen people who use the term "jap" are more likely to be upset and defensive when called on it than any Japanese person is upset at hearing it.  That doesnt mean they like it.  I could call you all sorts of names that, strictly speaking, are not offensive.  Doesnt mean you wouldnt take them that way.  

Just something to think about.

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« Reply #64 on: July 18, 2006, 06:39:24 PM »
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Your use of the offensive slang "Japs" says more about you than anything you write.



thats funny, and it was my second choice as words used to describe them.I guess somebody has too love them, it's just not me.Rolex i never cared what you thought before and i sure don't now.As far as i am concerned you can kick it with them all you want too, hell might as well throw in Barberella and drive a Honda and think thats it's koe-sha


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« Reply #65 on: July 18, 2006, 06:58:05 PM »
understand that history is told by the goverment on what they want thier people to know.. with that being said enjoy the differnt view points the 2 of you have and leave the arguments for more important matters as soon you will have when she goes from the to be mrs. to the mrs.   :)

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« Reply #66 on: July 18, 2006, 06:59:02 PM »
"Brit" is used as affectionate slang.

"Jap" is used as offensive and derogatory slang, or are you so naive as to think the Americans in WWII were using an affectionate tinted word to refer to the Japanese?


Maybe to you people in inland areas don't see it as an insult, but given the scarcity of Japanese people you deal with I think you ought to consider that those of us on the west coast just might know what we are talking about in this case.
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« Reply #67 on: July 18, 2006, 07:06:25 PM »
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thats funny, and it was my second choice as words used to describe them.I guess somebody has too love them, it's just not me.Rolex i never cared what you thought before and i sure don't now.As far as i am concerned you can kick it with them all you want too, hell might as well throw in Barberella and drive a Honda and think thats it's koe-sha



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« Reply #68 on: July 18, 2006, 07:08:27 PM »
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hell might as well throw in Barberella and drive a Honda a

Krusty  a big WTFG on makin him break his werd


You can have the wonderful American actress that played Barberella, but I will take that Honda........


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« Reply #69 on: July 18, 2006, 07:43:25 PM »
This has to be trolling.  Nobody is that much of a neanderthal.

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« Reply #70 on: July 18, 2006, 07:56:56 PM »
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This has to be trolling.  Nobody is that much of a neanderthal.


OMG look at some of his previous posts . The boy just aint right.

This is mild compared to most.



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« Reply #71 on: July 18, 2006, 07:57:56 PM »
SoA2, you've made a good post there, and have a good point. I, however, tend to believe that the word itself is not a slur. I believe words can be turned INTO slurs, by the invection and the way they are said/spat out of the mouth. You can say the word "Friend" with growl and it instantly becomes clear it means enemy. That doesn't make the word "friend" a slur. Far from it.

I don't disagree with what you've typed SOA, but I still believe it's more the use and not the word.

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« Reply #72 on: July 18, 2006, 08:16:29 PM »
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You can have the wonderful American actress that played Barberella, but I will take that Honda........



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« Reply #73 on: July 18, 2006, 09:11:57 PM »
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Originally posted by Krusty
SoA2, you've made a good post there, and have a good point. I, however, tend to believe that the word itself is not a slur. I believe words can be turned INTO slurs, by the invection and the way they are said/spat out of the mouth. You can say the word "Friend" with growl and it instantly becomes clear it means enemy. That doesn't make the word "friend" a slur. Far from it.

I don't disagree with what you've typed SOA, but I still believe it's more the use and not the word.


Errrr........yes, but you are missing the point.  I honestly dont think most people who use it intend it to be derogatory.  But then you arent the one getting your feelings hurt either.

I suppose if you were Hispanic and I called you "spic", and said its a legitimate contraction of the proper term, you would just accept it?

Little bit different take on it ..........

I have several black friends.  They toss the "N word" around pretty lightly amongst themselves.  I'd never dream of using it, even though we are good friends.  Why?  Because for them, its a put down but joking.  From me, they'd see it as using a derogatory term.  I cold argue I dont mean it that way, but would it matter?  

How my friends view what I say is important to me.  How my wife views what I say is important to me.  I would never use the N word around my black friends, I'd never say Jap around my wife's family.  And honestly, even if I agreed with your position and understood you didnt mean anything by it, if you called my wife a Jap and hurt her feelings I'd have to punch you in the nose.  ;)

I think that makes sense.

Btw, thats not a threat, its intended in a light-hearted manner.  I dont think you are the kind of person who would do any such thing, just trying to make you understand that if you hurt someone, what difference does it make what you meant?  Why not just say it the right way to start with?
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« Reply #74 on: July 18, 2006, 10:03:58 PM »
Oh, I get what you're saying now. I did miss that point in your previous post. Sorry!