Does it ever seem like ......

[LEADPIG]

I'll Ho, i don't see what's wrong with it, other than the chance it may mess you up from getting a good angle later.  If i'm outnumbered or in some disadvantaged situation especially and i see a chance were there's little chance that i might get killed, i'll take a Ho shot. You don't owe it to the other guy not too. If someone also points there nose at me and i can't angle of in time i'll ho back. People forget one of the number one mantra's of aircombat, "Get the killing work over with quickly".

[Chalenge]

Ive got lots of films of guys that die trying to ho me but most times I end up losing a part I need to avoid ramming so I try not to ho but it still happens.  Try saying all that in one breathe.

What I noticed though is that there are more ho attempts as I get more and more outnumbered I guess because they lose patience trying to get the kill. Thats when killshooter helps too!

[RTSigma]

A head-on attack is part of ACM.

If I get HO'ed by a guy that came at me from 3k out and level, and I didn't do anything, then its my fault. I should have reacted or made a move to avoid it. While yes doing manuevers is fun and shows "SKILLZ" a head-on attack is effective if shots are landed. It gives you a chance to kill the engine, wound the pilot, etc.

If you get HO'ed, think yourself, "what did I do that allowed this to happen?".


As for me, I'll HO from time to time. If theres a goon I'm protecting and I'm trying to protect it, I'll risk my life to stop the enemy. If I'm in a cannon fighter and its against a D3A, heck yes I'll do it if I want to.


What you need to realize is that this whole HO debate just comes down to the whole thrones and stools situation. Pilots who think HO'ing is low will sit on their thrones saying that they're better than those who HO; those on the stools so to say.

[Husky01]

rgr chal tell escobar1 i said hey for me

[Yoshimbo]

This may be strange to some, but...here i' goes...i find myself prefering to shoot at the end of the emy that DOESN'T have gunz pointed at me. *whew*

Now if it's aplane that has no gun in front, then yes, if i punch it in the nose it will bleed.

I will HO it.

If it's a Bomber formation. then yes, I will rip that cockpit apart as best I can.

I will HO it.

If sum bugga is pissin me off in a a6m thinkin he's the ****  with his maneuveurs and what not, blastin my allies away. Then yes I will up my 110g2 and I will swat 'em out of the sky.

I will HO it.

now..

After the initial moves, yeah, if you're pointed at me, and I'm pointed at you, I'm coming down on the trigger everytime... Thats not an HO.

I find myself in this position more often then I'd like to be.

Yeah...and some guys have gotten very good at ruddering out of the slipstream and laying bullets on front of your nose off merge. Is that still an HO?

This I would very much like to learn. I've seen it happen (to me, lol) If sumone has intruction on how, plz PM them.

[SlapShot]

Originally posted by goldelks
thanks everyone for ur imput my original questions still hasnt been answered exactly but all this info does help a lot

This is just a question but do you ever get the felling that some guys come into a fight just looking to Ho "Head on" some on? Is it becouse its the only way they can get a kill......think its funny....or what?

Yes ... I get the feeling that some guys come into a fight just looking to HO.

I believe it's because it's the only way they can get a kill due to their lack of knowledge of BCM or ACM.

That's my input

[SlapShot]

Originally posted by Kurt
For the purpose of HO whining, I disagree... If we have already merged and are now into our fight, a front on shot is valid.

I realize that from the strict definition this is a head on.  What I'm saying is that AFTER the first merge if you cry out 'That n00b HO'd me' - Then you're just a sore loser.

HO in the whining about it context means shooting in the merge.  I do not do that unless you shot first and I believe I have the guns to do the job.

That simply was my definition of what the conditions are for an HO, and if the trigger is pulled ... then an HO has occured.

It was not defining the conditions when one could legally whine about an HO.

I have yet to ever whine about an HO ... no matter what the conditions were. At times I am disappointed, but can't bring myself to whine about it ... I just jump into my NEW airplane and get back to the action. Whining accomplishes NOTHING.

[EagleDNY]

A valid HO?  I'm upping from a base on the coast where the fighter hangers have been wacked and there is an enemy CV 15 miles out - I up an a20 with 8 x 500lb bombs and try to do what I can to save the base.

I get up to about 5K when I spy a Seafire and an F4F coming at me head on - the Seafire is only 3.0K out, so I set course for him and he obliges by coming right at me.  At 800 I open up with my .50s and saw his wing off while I take a couple of 20mm hits and my left engine starts losing oil.

The F4F, seeing this, does the smart thing and peels left to swing around and get on my tail.  At this point, I'm just entering CV ack, and knowing it is more important to get my bombs out on target than it is to try to start a turnfight with an F4F, I outdive him to target, level at 1000 ft and start dropping bombs.  The CV ack dutifully blows me to shreds, but I do get a couple of hits and take out a load of guns.

Am I guilty of an HO - yup.  I don't feel bad about it a little bit here, because my objective is to get bombs on the CV, and that objective is accomplished.  The tactic itself isn't the problem, its just when and how it is used that people should take more into consideration.

If I'm in an LA7 (God forbid), and my mission is air superiority, I'm likely to be doing some B&Z through a furball somewhere.  Should I HO there - probably not unless I absolutely have to, because 1 ping in my engine or a pilot wound and my mission is over.   Better to B&Z down from the rear quarter and give someone a 20mm enema, pull back up and wait for my next opportunity.  I can HO and probably get a kill (maybe while being killed), or I can be smart and have a shot to get multiple kills, and maybe even land them.

There are times you want to take the Head On shot - if you are in a ride that is just plain outclassed by the opposition (say 110 on a Spit), if you are new to the game and not that confident you'll get another chance, or maybe even if you are wounded, leaking oil, gas or otherwise certain you aren't going to be in the air much longer anyway.   In those cases, go ahead - take the shot, if I'm giving you the opportunity, it's my fault if I get blown away by it.

The situation should dictate the tactics - if your tactics are only HO passes, then you are limiting yourself and failing to learn.  In the end, that is bad for you and good for me - you'll get some kills, but I'm more likely to accomplish my objectives.

EagleDNY
(An unrepentant base porker who will HO you to accomplish his evil plans for world domination - be warned)

$.02

[tatertot]

your kinda young to be looking for the true meaning of a ho arnt you ?????


ps im telling your mom you talikn like a sailor

[Husky01]

ARRGGG Ron yes se be knowin i got me a sailor month on me.

[tatertot]

ok then ho s it is, just for the sake of it ,ho will never go away many find its a easy kill or at least the odds are in your fav

[Husky01]

rgr

[sonic23]

I try not to HO in most planes accept for the 1l2 and 110. I never Ho in a 1 vs 1 unless i see the other guy is staying merge for merge with me and trying to ho me which happened last night when i was in a spit16 against a 9, then i had to ho him back because the slower you go the harder it is to dodge a ho.

I dont understand why when u are outnumbered o say 5 to 1 people try to ho you but i dont mind because i want to ho them back when im that outnumbered.

I'd say 90% of the arena ho's but if your in a fight with someone that doesnt ho that probably means the are a pretty good stick.

P.S.
if i see some one coming straight at me depending on what mood im in i might ho him back.

[Edbert1]

Accepting a HO is basically a 50-50 scenario.

There are many, MANY, players in this game who consider themselves successful to get one kill every other sortie.

[Mustaine]

Originally posted by Edbert1
[opinion]
Too many folks learned to play multiplayer games via Doom/Quake/UT or some other point-at-the-enemy-and-fire games. They take the lessons they learned there and point the nose at the enemy and fire without regard to angles, ACM, or even BFM.
[/opinion]

my best buddy has some new PS2 game about pacific fighters....

total gamey, and lame, i could almost not fly it, and the "AI" does nothing other than HO pass, then turn to do it again itself. they will get behind you, but only with flat turns and extension.

all he knows to do is when the "gunsight" lights up red saying the target is in he fires, HO full on from 1000's of yards out on first pass. there is no ammo limit, so guns a blazing he goes.





he is interested in AH, but wife will never let him play an online game, let alone pay for one, so he enjoys what he gets. comming over by my place, he tries to fly AH every now and then but he has yet to hit a drone with a bullet in a tailing situation (in 3+ years of sporadically trying) it's so frustrating he either augers or pulls away and comes in HO a blazing until he shoots one.



didn't see this post until i did mine...

Originally posted by Edbert1
Accepting a HO is basically a 50-50 scenario.

There are many, MANY, players in this game who consider themselves successful to get one kill every other sortie.

more truth in that that most here know.