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Offline SMIDSY

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« on: July 31, 2006, 08:30:06 PM »
Found this on a message board in the bowls of the internet and it brought a tear to my eye.

This is a photo of him walking to his death.




Jospeh Schultz was a German soldier on the Eastern Front. On the 20th of July 1941, he along with seven of his brothers in arms were sent out on what they thought to be a routine mission. After a short march they soon understood that they were on a quite different mission than what they were used to: Ahead of them, they saw fourteen captured local civilians who were blindfolded , positioned up against a wall. The 8 soldiers in Schultz platoon were halted 10-15 meters away, and an NCO ordered them to execute every one of the civilian. Seven of the soldiers took aim, and in the silence that followed you could only hear the sound of a rifle beeing dropped. Jospeh Schultz disobeyed a direct order, dropped his rifle and walked slowly towards the 14 civilians which only heard cautious footsteps in the grass infront of them. The young Schultz positioned himself together with the soon-to-be executed civilians, and choosed death instead of killing hopeless civilians. A few seconds later 14 civilians and 1 German soldier laid dead in the grass. He was executed by his own brothers in arms by order of the NCO.


There was no large-scale revolt or mutiny. Nobody was saved becasue of his actions. He didnt change anything. He refused to shoot the prisoners because he knew it was wrong, and he payed for it with his life. So the next time you have a drink, please make a toast to this man; I know I will.

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« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2006, 09:04:46 PM »
If more countries had more people like him, the world just might be a far better place. Passive protests don't have to involve a large majority to be morally right. While he may not have made a direct impact on very many people that day, the fact that we have this photo and are discussing what he did so many years later indicates that he achieved far more than dying with a clear conscience.

to anyone who has made similar sacrifices, especially those that won't every be known.
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« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2006, 09:05:08 PM »
Source?
If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!

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« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2006, 09:12:08 PM »
So...he didn't save anyone, got himself killed, and was basically forgotten.

That's heroic in a way, but it's also stupid and pointless.



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« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2006, 09:13:14 PM »
Not forgotten; they made a 13 minute documentary about him, generally reported to be accurate or true.

I know they won't be making any documentaries about me.

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« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2006, 10:01:29 PM »
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a translation from a weekend magazine of a Norwegian newspaper. also, i think i saw that documentary too.

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« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2006, 12:34:21 AM »
never heard about that before...so why didn't he just shoot the NCO?

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« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2006, 11:23:13 AM »
A true German hero from WWII, more so than all of the Gallands and Hartmanns combined. There were others as well. The White Rose, Canaris, numerous individuals who made small gestures of rebellion and saved lives.

"I die for my fatherland. I have a clear conscience. I only did my duty to my country when I tried to oppose the criminal folly of Hitler." - Admiral Wilhelm Canaris

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« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2006, 11:35:20 AM »
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So...he didn't save anyone, got himself killed, and was basically forgotten.

That's heroic in a way, but it's also stupid and pointless.    J_A_B


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« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2006, 09:42:38 PM »
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So...he didn't save anyone, got himself killed, and was basically forgotten.

That's heroic in a way, but it's also stupid and pointless.



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« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2006, 10:08:27 PM »
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If more countries had more people like him, the world just might be a far better place. Passive protests don't have to involve a large majority to be morally right. While he may not have made a direct impact on very many people that day, the fact that we have this photo and are discussing what he did so many years later indicates that he achieved far more than dying with a clear conscience.

to anyone who has made similar sacrifices, especially those that won't every be known.


Like this guy?
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« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2006, 10:10:41 PM »
:aok

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« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2006, 11:05:59 PM »
that Lt. is a coward who incorrectly uses the hauge convention as a defence for not wanting to do his duty.

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« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2006, 11:40:56 PM »
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Ya, just like him.. He was being directly ordered to shoot civilians right?

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« Reply #14 on: August 02, 2006, 01:28:22 PM »
It would have been a distinct possibility.  There are countless reports of American soldiers shooting at Iraqi civilians.
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