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Offline BlauK

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« on: August 05, 2006, 12:19:10 PM »
People often refer to a "steep learning curve". What would be teh axis for that curve?  .. learning and time, I suppose.

Time is usually presented on horizontal axis, therefore learning would be the vertical axes. What would a "steep learning curve" then mean? Would it not mean that one can learn a lot very quicly? Somehow I think this is not what "people" mean when they post about AH having a steep learning curve..... Is the time on vertical axis then?

IMHO, with the first concept, the learning curve in AH is initially fairly shallow... one needs some time to get the basics, but then it gradually becomes steeper and more learning would be happening  in a quicker pace after the basics are understood.

So.. where does this "learning curve" thinggy come from? :rolleyes: Any links anyone???

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Ahh.. :D Just followed my own question to
Wikipedia (Learning curve). :lol

".....In fact, a "steep" learning curve implies that something gets easier quickly."[/edit]
« Last Edit: August 05, 2006, 12:31:41 PM by BlauK »


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« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2006, 12:21:01 PM »
Vihainen lohikaarme!

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« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2006, 12:30:42 PM »
Say "Tiikeri" for me ;)


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« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2006, 04:08:59 PM »
For the common vernacular of "a steep learning curve" to work, people are thinking of the following curve:

effort
^...............x...........................................................................o
|............x.................................................o
|........x..............................o
|.....x.................o
|..x........o
|xo
------------------------------------------------------> what you can accomplish

Then, for a shallow curve, you can do more with less effort.  If it's steep, you need a lot of effort and even than can't do all that much yet.

In the above the x's would be for Aces High and the o's for some easier game (driving vehicles in Battlefield 1942, say).

(And, yes, I do for the next couple of hours have too much time on my hands as I wait for frame 2 of Operation Downfall scenario to start.)

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« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2006, 05:48:36 PM »
A steep curve means that it's hard. Gentle slopes are easy (less work over more time), but sharp, cliff-like curves are VERY hard to get up, often taking much struggle and effort (and often a lot of time) to get to the top of.

So if one were to graph it, it would be a curve. The "steep" part is an aesthetic description of it. You could say "ugly learning curve" and mean the same thing. It's not a mathematical statement, like "Oh, if it's anything more than 30 degrees it's difficult, anything more than 45 it's steep" etc.

It's a figure of speech.

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« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2006, 07:53:14 PM »
Steepness tells the story of how difficult it is to learn as time goes by. In the beginning you learn the obvious stuff quickly but as time goes by it requires much more time to progress further and pick more stuff up.
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« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2006, 09:52:28 AM »
Did any of you even check the wikipedia link :)


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« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2006, 10:14:57 AM »
Ive found that there are times when the common usage of a word is in contrast with its recorded definition and you found one for sure. Proud of ya.
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« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2006, 10:39:21 AM »
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Originally posted by BlauK
Did any of you even check the wikipedia link :)




wikipedia is like the history channel spotty at best.


Think of the curve as a hill with your goal at the top. Goal being proficient at the task set before you.

Now what would you like more short gradual slope up ....
or a long "steep" incline.

AH is that long steep incline to your goal.


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Edit:
steep
adj. steepˇer, steepˇest
Having a sharp inclination; precipitous.
At a rapid or precipitous rate: a steep rise in salaries.

Excessive; stiff: a steep price.
Ambitious; difficult: a steep undertaking.

n.
A precipitous slope.

So Steep learning curve would be contradictory  to an easy learning curve.
« Last Edit: August 06, 2006, 10:49:51 AM by Bronk »
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« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2006, 06:10:39 PM »
In all the training I've done a steep learning curve means to learn a lot in a little bit of time.  Flying twice a day for a week for instance is better and gives you a steeper curve than flying twice a week for five weeks.  But, WRT AH, I think the curve that best describes AH would be similar to a Bell curve.  

You start out slow (a shallow curve)...figuring out all the buttons, stick mapping, views, landing, basic gunnery, etc.  Once you have the basics down you rapidly improve (a steep curve) as you learn tactics and and the planes and also learn to fight "smart".  

After a while the curve flattens again as you aquire more difficult advanced tactics, take on more challenging rides, are more willing to engage without an advantage, etc.  

Then the inevitable occurs...you're on the backside of the curve and you turn to the dark side.  This is a very steep downward slope.  Work, food and family become just short breaks in your AH life but you realize you'll never get any better than you are right now.  You fork over $500 for a new control setup thinking that'll make you better.  Failing that you decide that the "/" and keyboard are more important than throttle and stick and spend more time complaining on 200 than actually fighting.  You decide that every plane except the one you're flying is "uber" or for Noobs and Dweebs.  You decide that any tactic you're not using is "dweebish".  Absolutely everyone else in the MA HO's and Picks and are score ho's but you never, ever do that and you absolutely never look at your score.  You're convinced that planes like the Spit 16 actually do fly themselves.   You constantly challenge people to the DA so you can compare sizes.

Just my opinion of course ;)
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« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2006, 04:41:55 PM »
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Originally posted by Chalenge
Ive found that there are times when the common usage of a word is in contrast with its recorded definition ...


WTG .. proud of ya. (to coin a phrase)

Another Quantum Leap in understanding recorded.
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« Reply #11 on: August 13, 2006, 05:10:37 PM »
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Then the inevitable occurs...you're on the backside of the curve and you turn to the dark side.  This is a very steep downward slope.  Work, food and family become just short breaks in your AH life but you realize you'll never get any better than you are right now.  You fork over $500 for a new control setup thinking that'll make you better.  Failing that you decide that the "/" and keyboard are more important than throttle and stick and spend more time complaining on 200 than actually fighting.  You decide that every plane except the one you're flying is "uber" or for Noobs and Dweebs.  You decide that any tactic you're not using is "dweebish".  Absolutely everyone else in the MA HO's and Picks and are score ho's but you never, ever do that and you absolutely never look at your score.  You're convinced that planes like the Spit 16 actually do fly themselves.   You constantly challenge people to the DA so you can compare sizes.



:rofl

Is the community rubbing someone the wrong way? :D
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« Reply #12 on: August 13, 2006, 05:15:18 PM »
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Originally posted by Grayeagle
WTG .. proud of ya. (to coin a phrase)

Another Quantum Leap in understanding recorded.
(so to speak)

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« Reply #13 on: August 14, 2006, 02:56:56 AM »
My learning curve is like my EEG (electroencephalogram) : completly flat

Look like I can't learn :D

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« Reply #14 on: August 14, 2006, 05:32:22 PM »
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Originally posted by Vudak
:rofl

Is the community rubbing someone the wrong way? :D


I think I was describing all of us...lol :lol
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