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« Reply #30 on: August 10, 2006, 03:38:07 AM »
Oh, and thanks for adding me to you signature! :D

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« Reply #31 on: August 10, 2006, 05:58:51 AM »
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Best to read this site for 109F data,

http://www.beim-zeugmeister.de/zeugmeister/index.php?id=7&L=1


Looked through it, THX ;)
It still baffles me though that if the speeds and climbs claimed by the author hold water, the 109F from 1942 outperforms the 109G6 from 1943/44. So why bother with the G ?
Going to the Pilots, they usually refer to the Gustav as faster level and in climb while being more unwieldy.
So, was the top performance of the 109F only reached by some of them or only for a short period of time?
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #32 on: August 10, 2006, 06:48:37 AM »
Hm... pretty much nothing is documented on tests on that site. There is a Rechlin paper which claims about 670km/h from flight tests but condition of the plane nor corrections nor conditions etc. are not documented. Generally Rechlin data during early war was not corrected for compressibility, as an example FW paper giving Rechlin Fw 190 A-5 values has a note that the given speed is not corrected for compressibility. Later Rechlin papers (as and example Fw 190D-9 data) contain practically allways the note if the speed is corrected for compressibility. Generally when the speed was marked as Vw, then it probably was not corrected for compressibility but if it was marked Vwck, it was corrected for compressibility. The error caused by compressibility depends on conditions but at about standard conditions and at FTH it would have been around 20km/h.

Anyway, a Bf 109 F-4 in clean condition was a pretty fast plane, specially if the tested plane was some sort of cleaned up (polished etc.) sample. Other story is if the 1,42ata/2700rpm and was really released for service use. One of the main improvements of the DB 605A over the DB 601E was improved head cooling but it (the 605) was still restricted to 1,30ata/2600rpm until 1944. Again, the site above fails to show direct documentation that the 1,42ata/2700rpm was allowed.

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« Reply #33 on: August 10, 2006, 09:24:56 AM »
i had the pleasure of witnessing widewing and murdr testing the fraulien.i've found it to increase my pitiful survival rate.my question tho is what is the "best" convergence of the weapons.i usually dont fire until real close d-300, but with the cannon in the nose, whats the difference?

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« Reply #34 on: August 10, 2006, 09:42:10 AM »
Remember, convergence is vertical as well as horizontal.  The MG151 does not have an uber-flat trajectory like the Hispanos or the M2 .50s.  I have all three weapons converged at 300.  For long range, i.e., non-maneuvering targets at d600-800, aim high and tap off cannon rounds.  I've had hits at d800 with the cannon, and usually getting hit with a 20mm is enough to get the other guys attention and make him do something stupid like make a tight turn and burn off all his E.

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« Reply #35 on: August 10, 2006, 09:49:44 AM »
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Looked through it, THX ;)
It still baffles me though that if the speeds and climbs claimed by the author hold water, the 109F from 1942 outperforms the 109G6 from 1943/44. So why bother with the G ?
 


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« Reply #36 on: August 10, 2006, 01:10:43 PM »
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I know what time it is. and 1830 GMT IS 630 AM for ME!


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« Reply #37 on: August 10, 2006, 01:20:34 PM »
I find the 109F burns E awfully fast compared to other 109s...

Also, isnt the Dora a FW identifier for the 190-D9?????? (see above list of names for models)

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« Reply #38 on: August 10, 2006, 01:41:33 PM »
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Also, isnt the Dora a FW identifier for the 190-D9?????? (see above list of names for models)


They used it for the 109 AND the 190.   109D model production was around 200.   But again, the 109D models were known as Doras.

F4 IIRC, was also known by "Franz", but ALOT more as Friedrich.
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« Reply #39 on: August 10, 2006, 03:07:25 PM »
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« Reply #40 on: August 10, 2006, 03:31:33 PM »
:rofl :lol :cry :rofl :lol :cry

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« Reply #41 on: August 10, 2006, 03:31:44 PM »
FILM we demand FILM


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« Reply #42 on: August 10, 2006, 03:39:07 PM »
nah... that would be a little too mean.

reynolds, you are a good sport.
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« Reply #43 on: August 10, 2006, 03:42:53 PM »
Ehhh, Furbie, Maybe I should adapt Reynolds to my little squadron and we have a 2 vs 1 :D
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #44 on: August 10, 2006, 03:45:18 PM »
Furball was there any of this???






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