Author Topic: Motorcycle helmet law? (Read 3667 times)

shooter1cac · « **Reply #75 on:** August 08, 2006, 12:14:43 PM »

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Originally posted by Hawklore
When it comes to motorcycle or bicycle helmets..

If your wearing one and wreck, I'm gonna do all I can to stop and assist you.

If your not wearing a helmet, screw you, your asking for death.

That has to be the most asinine thing I have ever heard spewed out on this BBS. How in the world could someone's PERSONAL choice make a person behave like that?
So if I see some small child getting mauled by a dog I won't help because I don't think it's right for someone to allow their children to play with an aggresive dog. That makes it ok right?
OR I see someone in a car wreck..the car is on fire..and they're inside unconscience because they didn't wear their seatbelt but I let them burn to death it's ok because they were ASKING for it.
Or I respond with my local fire department to someone's house which is on fire because they fell asleep with a cig in their hand and a whole family dies in a house fire because we didn't put any water on it because Hey..they smoked..they deserve what they get!

All these are good examples right?

Jackal1 · « **Reply #76 on:** August 08, 2006, 12:17:01 PM »

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Originally posted by Hawklore
When it comes to motorcycle or bicycle helmets..

If your wearing one and wreck, I'm gonna do all I can to stop and assist you.

If your not wearing a helmet, screw you, your asking for death.

LMAO bicycle helmets. Now there is an issue.

We will keep that in mind though if it comes to the point of you having to ask someone else if and when you can go to the john. I mean..they know what is best for you..right?

john9001 · « **Reply #77 on:** August 08, 2006, 12:26:29 PM »

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Originally posted by Gh0stFT
heh now this thread turned into Helmet can kill you and Seatbelts too!
nice one

dale Earnhardt was wearing a helmet and died, the weight of the helmet snapped his neck, he was not the only driver to die that way, now all drivers have to have a device to restrain the helmet, he was also wearing a seat belt.

i wear a helmet in the shower because i might slip and fall and hit my head,then your insurance rates would go up. we can't have that.

Jackal1 · « **Reply #78 on:** August 08, 2006, 12:33:24 PM »

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Originally posted by john9001

i wear a helmet in the shower because i might slip and fall and hit my head,then your insurance rates would go up. we can't have that.

You mean everyone doesn`t wear the D.O.S.A.B. (Dept. Of Showers and Baths)
approved helmet??????? The horror!

I think what might be most misunderstood by some is........................... .
The word is not Freedumb .....it is freedom.

-Concho- · « **Reply #79 on:** August 08, 2006, 12:44:11 PM »

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Originally posted by Dago
During my years as a volunteer firefighter (400 calls per year), I never unbuckled a dead body, but I did help remove more than a couple dead bodies that weren't belted in. Even helped an old man out of a car that had been hit by a train. He had the biggest diagonal red stripe accross his chest from his belt, but he lived.

One night drove the ambulance so the paramedics could both work on the guy who had a car rolled over him after being ejected when he went off the road. Nope, no belt there or he would have been fine. He was screaming in pain in the ambulance. (among other injuries was a triple pelvis facture).

How do you know he would have been fine? Who's to say his head would not have gotten inbetween the door post and the ground like 90% of roll over fatals? He could be the luckiest man alive that he only broke his pelvis.

Not to get into a noodle measuring contest with you but...

During my years as a State Trooper (several hundered accidents investigated) I have unbuckled or cut the belt on several dead bodies.
You can sit here and tell me war stories about one time at band camp and it will make no difference at all.

NHTSA test frontal impacts at 35mph.

Here is a scenario:

car A is traveling west at 70mph; car B is traveling east at 70mph. car A comes across the line and hits car B headlight to headlight. the total speed force is at 140mph. That is a hell of alot faster than the 35mph that car A got it's 5 star crash rating at.

Most of the crash testing stats are nowhere near highway speed and unless you have a nascar style seatbelt rig your screwed.

The best way to save yourself is to be a defensive driver and avoid a collision before it happens.

NHTSA

Masherbrum · « **Reply #80 on:** August 08, 2006, 01:08:53 PM »

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Originally posted by -Concho-
Helmet or no helmet, seatbelt or no seatbelt; neither make a bit of difference if you don't ride or drive responsibly.

I've cut the seatbelts off of as many dead people as alive, the only good thing I see that it keeps you behind the wheel in case your able to recover.

I call BS on this gross exaggeration. "as many"? Yer the first person "in the law enforcement community" to ever make this statement, and I know a ton in the Metro Detroit area.

Maverick · « **Reply #81 on:** August 08, 2006, 01:18:34 PM »

A couple points here.

Laz,

I didn't say the motorcyclist could not afford a helmet. I said if he / she didn't think their head was WORTH the price of a helmet I wouldn't tell them it was. They put the value on their head, not me and not their pocket book.

To those that think this is a personal rights issue. It isn't. You do not have a right to drive, therefore what you use or not use while performing the act of driving is also not a constitutional right either in regards to regulation of performing the act of driving. Driving is a priviledge extended by the state you are licensed in. That is why your driving priveledges are subject to suspension and revocation should the state decide to do so.

This is probably one of the best examples of the "danger" of allowing the state to regulate something. That which requires a license issued by the state is not a right, it is a priviledge and only granted by the sufference of the state.

-Concho- · « **Reply #82 on:** August 08, 2006, 01:34:30 PM »

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Originally posted by Masherbrum
I call BS on this gross exaggeration. "as many"? Yer the first person "in the law enforcement community" to ever make this statement, and I know a ton in the Metro Detroit area.

Then call BS and call your friends.

Jackal1 · « **Reply #83 on:** August 08, 2006, 01:42:49 PM »

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Originally posted by Maverick

To those that think this is a personal rights issue. It isn't.

It certainly is. That`s all it is.

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You do not have a right to drive, therefore what you use or not use while performing the act of driving is also not a constitutional right either in regards to regulation of performing the act of driving. Driving is a priviledge extended by the state you are licensed in. That is why your driving priveledges are subject to suspension and revocation should the state decide to do so.

At a certain point it was enacted that it be declared as a priviledge instead of a right through the manipulation of laws put in place to do so.
Chip...........chip.......... .chip........................ ...
It didn`t just start yesterday.
A trained monkey can pass a driving test in most states that will grant you , your so called priviledge, to drive.
The monkey would then be required to pay a fee for this and also be required to pay an insurance company a fee in order to be free to make use of this, more than gracious friggen , priviledge .
Chip.............chip.......c hip.........
Sham.

Nifty · « **Reply #84 on:** August 08, 2006, 01:57:49 PM »

So, you think we shouldn't license anyone, shouldn't enforce traffic laws, shouldn't require insurance, and shouldn't register vehicles?

Masherbrum · « **Reply #85 on:** August 08, 2006, 02:11:44 PM »

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Originally posted by -Concho-
Then call BS and call your friends.

Don't need to call them.

lazs2 · « **Reply #86 on:** August 08, 2006, 02:24:23 PM »

ok mav.. then I guess I didn't get your point about the "cost" of a helmet?

Are you now saying that the "cost" is the hassle and sensory depravation as well as the price in dollars?

It may be a privildge to drive but I do not belive that it should be a privilidge to drive in a manner that does not endanger anyone else..

In other words.... It is the right of the state to enforce traffic laws like reckless driving or stop lights or even turn signals...but it is not their right to enforce your wearing seatbelts or helmets.

The seatbelt and helmets are personal prefernece that endanger no one in any manner other than you yourself.

If we all don't start to grow a pair pretty soon we will all find ourselves wearing helmets and life jackets in the shower.

lazs

lazs2 · « **Reply #87 on:** August 08, 2006, 02:26:45 PM »

hawklore... I have had several life threatening motorcycle accidents that did not in any way involve head inuries... I was not wearing a helmet in any of em...

Are you saying that you would allow a person to bleed to death because he wasn't wearing a helmet?

Would you allow a car crash victim to burn to death because he was not wearing a nomex suit?

lazs

Cougar68 · « **Reply #88 on:** August 08, 2006, 03:00:28 PM »

Seatbelts and helmets are infringing upon personal liberty?? *shakes head in disbelief*

john9001 · « **Reply #89 on:** August 08, 2006, 03:08:03 PM »

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Originally posted by Nifty
So, you think we shouldn't license anyone, shouldn't enforce traffic laws, shouldn't require insurance, and shouldn't register vehicles?

yes, it is the STATE that says it is privilege to drive, not the people, lets put it to a vote.

why do we have to re-register the vehicle every year? same owner, same vehicle, but you have to pay the STATE more money or get fined (more money).

because we have to have insurance the insurance companies can charge whatever they want, and if everyone has to have insurance why do they try to sell us "uninsured motorist coverage"?

the drivers license is just one more way for the STATE to have more control over the people.

"where are you papers?" sounds like a WW2 "b" movie.