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« Reply #15 on: August 09, 2006, 04:12:08 AM »
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« Reply #16 on: August 09, 2006, 04:16:25 AM »
"they simply lack the moral clarity to agree that there is evil in the world,"

Amazing! More of this please!!!

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« Reply #17 on: August 09, 2006, 04:24:58 AM »
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Stuff and nonsense. Hezbollah isn't Nazi germany


I didn't say it was.  I refuse to allow you to twist my words so you can take your feeble and tired stabs at insulting someone.


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That you think a threat like this truly poses a threat of the level you are suggesting just demonstrates how little you understand it.


That you deduced I think they currently pose the same threat as Nazi Germany shows just how poor your command of my native tongue is.  Go back to the North Pole, Rudolph.  Your reindeer games don't fly here.


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How many troops for a stablisation force has the USA offered?


This nicely skirts the real issue and again, I won't allow it.  If we haven't offered troops it's likely that we'd like to see others stepping up to the plate inthe region and/or we know the arab nutjobs would decline our offer.

Hey Momus, are the Hezbollah terrorists?

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« Reply #18 on: August 09, 2006, 05:13:50 AM »
This should elevate some blood pressure a little...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ih7XYbC3Ec&mode=related&search=
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Here are some excerpts from an article by Scott Ritter (chief UN weapons inspector of Iraq 1991-1998):

"Contrary to popular opinion, Hezbollah is not an 'international terrorist organization.' It has not been linked to any acts of terror outside the borders of Lebanon (the current shelling of Israel notwithstanding, Hezbollah claims these are legitimate military actions in response to Israeli "aggression"). The United States and Israel often speak of "Hezbollah terror attacks" outside of Lebanon, but in the end cannot trace these attacks to Hezbollah with anything stronger than circumstance and rhetoric. The reality of Hezbollah is that it is a decidedly nationalistic organization that has gone on record condemning the September 2001 terror attacks against the United States, rejecting Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda, as well as any killing of innocent civilians in the name of Islam. If it were not for the Israeli angle, the irony is that Hezbollah actually represents the kind of home-grown political party that the United States should be supporting."

"Hezbollah is very much a political reality. It is woven into the daily reality of the lives of Lebanese Shi'a, providing medical and education support to impoverished civilians who otherwise would have to go without. Hezbollah has participated in the legitimate political processes of the Lebanese democracy, winning over a dozen seats in the Lebanese Parliament, and holding several cabinet-level positions. The Lebanese government itself recognizes the unique character of Hezbollah, rejecting any notion that it is an illegitimate militia, but rather a legitimate national resistance movement that will continue to exist until Israel stops meddling in Lebanese affairs."

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"So long as the American media collectively continues to masquerade as journalists, when in fact it serves as little more than the propagandistic arm of the U.S. and Israeli governments, the American people will continue to wallow in their collective ignorance of the world they live in, unable to discern solutions to problems because they are for the most part unable to define the problem itself. This is a very serious matter, one with huge potential consequences.

Take, in closing, the manner in which Israel and the United States have painted Hezbollah's military underwriters in Iran and Syria. If Hezbollah resistance continues (as it seems likely to do), the United States and Israel have stated that Syria and Iran become, by extension, legitimate military targets.

This discussion is offered without any thought or recognition of the "other side of the coin," namely the mindset in much of the Arab and Muslim world that if Iran and Syria are targeted for providing military support for Hezbollah, then the No. 1 underwriter for the ongoing Israeli slaughter of Lebanese, the United States, likewise becomes a legitimate military target."

Full article: Link
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« Reply #19 on: August 09, 2006, 06:31:45 AM »
hmmm... no caps lock attack yet, tic tic tic...
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« Reply #20 on: August 09, 2006, 06:47:46 AM »
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« Reply #21 on: August 09, 2006, 07:16:10 AM »
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Originally posted by Momus--
France arguably has a record of fighting Islamic terrorism better than that the USA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_8969

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_bombings_in_France

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khaled_Kelkal

When France and Spain would not allow airspace fly through for Operation El Dorado Canyon.   This was in direct response to the Rome and Vienna airport bombings of Dec. 27, 1985 (if memory serves me) and the April 5th Disco bombing in Berlin.   God forbid if we forget that over 50% of the French population APPROVED of the bombing of Libya.  Let's not forget Chad either.  


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« Reply #22 on: August 09, 2006, 07:16:48 AM »
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Stuff and nonsense. Hezbollah isn't Nazi germany.


they would be if they could be - that's enough for me to see them wiped from the earth
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« Reply #23 on: August 09, 2006, 07:24:03 AM »
Other countries must begin to denounce Hezbollah and their activities before the Lebenonese government will feel supported enough to make a stand.

Unfortunately, until the  Lebenonese government does denounce them this conflict will never end, instead it will be marked by brief cease-fires.
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« Reply #24 on: August 09, 2006, 07:40:30 AM »
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they would be if they could be - that's enough for me to see them wiped from the earth


right... good ole final solution style, eh?
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« Reply #25 on: August 09, 2006, 08:37:17 AM »
rolex... do you believe ritter?   Even if you do... he says that the hez-ebola only terrorize in and around lebanon...

So... that makes em what?   local terrorists?  and that's ok?

Soo.. they only kidnap locals and fire rockets at their neighbors homes from the homes of civilians that they live amungst?

Hell....  the IRA wasn't terrorists by ritters defenition.   And what is ritter really saying?  that there are worse terrorists?  

Are they not fundamenatlists that believe that the only solution is when there are no jews  in the middle east?   Do they not believe that "convert or die" is the only way?

Sounds like they are the cause of all of lebenons problems.

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« Reply #26 on: August 09, 2006, 08:57:13 AM »
About the only good french is a none french.

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« Reply #27 on: August 09, 2006, 09:13:18 AM »
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But for the french and their Navy you'd still be a british colony.Read your own history.


I can't find in this thread where anyone says otherwise.  The French were paid back in spades in American blood on French soil.

But for us, the French would be speaking German right now.


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As for whats happening in Lebanon, the Israeli response was disproportionate to the crime,


So, if I move next door to you and kill one of your children will you kill one of mine only, knowing full well that I'm going to come back over soon and kill another one?

Should Israel launch a thousand  randomly aimed missles into Lebanon's cities?  This  would be a proprtionate response.

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« Reply #28 on: August 09, 2006, 09:19:06 AM »
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If it were not for the Israeli angle, the irony is that Hezbollah actually represents the kind of home-grown political party that the United States should be supporting."


Ya, blow up our marine barracks, kill 241 of our soldiers,...   ya we really should support them.

You simply must be joking... no-one is this daft.

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« Reply #29 on: August 09, 2006, 09:29:57 AM »
What is worth bashing the french in this news?

They're not siding with Hezbollah as apparent from the news itself:
"In addition, the French have reportedly agreed with Arab demands that the Lebanese force be accompanied only by UNIFIL, with no international force to be deployed.

Syria, Iran and Hezbollah are pushing to take Lebanon's offer to deploy 15,000 forces into the embattled southern region along with UNIFIL forces to gain stability without an international force there after more than three weeks of intense fighting."


If it works, then what's the problem?
Israel has demanded forces to the south to prevent Hezbollah from launching rocket attacks against Israel. The last news I heard on this was that the Israeli government is considering the offer from the Lebanese government - which is the above quoted.
If Israelis accepts the offer, would that make them siding with Hezbollah too?