Author Topic: A gooood replacement for M-16 Rifle... (Read 2009 times)

Dago · « **Reply #45 on:** August 13, 2006, 01:47:45 PM »

I would love to see us switch from 5.56 to 6.8mm, but I see no reason to switch from the M16 to Tavor in the same caliber.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #46 on:** August 13, 2006, 06:00:52 PM »

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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Women and children are smaller and easier to bring down. And a lot of times even the men are standing still or on their knees, so you get an easy head shot. Zionist arms makers leave no stone unturned in their quest for excellence.

You really have turned whacko leftist - now your're bashing Isreal and essentialy comparing them to Nazis. WTF is up with you Mike?

Nilsen · « **Reply #47 on:** August 13, 2006, 06:08:37 PM »

quick question

is the Diemcao C8 Canadian??

Aways thought it was USAian

AquaShrimp · « **Reply #48 on:** August 13, 2006, 07:55:39 PM »

Is it possible to produce HE bullets in 5.56mm or 7.62mm?

Toad · « **Reply #49 on:** August 13, 2006, 08:05:58 PM »

Probably not; there's not enough room for much explosive.

Oh, and there's that Geneva convention stuff too.

Toad · « **Reply #50 on:** August 13, 2006, 08:08:16 PM »

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Originally posted by Nilsen
quick question

is the Diemcao C8 Canadian??

Aways thought it was USAian

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Diemaco arms firm of Canada has long been successfull with their C7 and C8 licensed versions of the popular Colt arms

wulfie · « **Reply #51 on:** August 13, 2006, 08:28:50 PM »

If they replaced the -16 series in U.S. service, my vote would be for the G36 series to be the replacement.

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #52 on:** August 13, 2006, 09:04:55 PM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
You really have turned whacko leftist - now your're bashing Isreal and essentialy comparing them to Nazis. WTF is up with you Mike?

Nothing leftist about acknowledging Zionist atrocities.

Dago · « **Reply #53 on:** August 13, 2006, 09:21:24 PM »

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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
Is it possible to produce HE bullets in 5.56mm or 7.62mm?

No, but you can buy frangible ammunition, and that stuff does serious damage in a body, much more than your average ball round.

ramzey · « **Reply #54 on:** August 13, 2006, 09:45:00 PM »

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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Nothing leftist about acknowledging Zionist atrocities.

lets face it, you are jew hate commie and possible american terrorist

stantond · « **Reply #55 on:** August 13, 2006, 10:14:12 PM »

The M-16 has been the longest used US service rifle. Maybe there is a reason for that? How about taking a more German design approach and see where the design can be improved rather than the US (and British) approach of trying "something compelety different".

Other things to consider in a service rifle:

1. How long does it take someone to become proficient (is it easy to shoot)?

2. How many people(women, children, etc) can competently shoot the weapon ?

3. Is the weapon accurate, and what is the maximum effective range?

4. How many rednecks have this rifle and know how to use it?

Just my $.02,

Malta

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #56 on:** August 13, 2006, 11:12:31 PM »

The future replacements of M16 are here now, and are being used in combat by US forces today.

First... The Heckler Koch XM8 (US gussied over futuristic HK G36) is apprently dead as a project in its old state - the gun had some unresolved tech issues and competing manufactures complained that HK and the Army were working too closely on the project.

So HK are now pushing their new HK416 (5.56) and HK417 (7.62x51) in the US Military/LE market. The HK 416/417 are M16/M4 pattern weapons with a gas piston and other reliability improvements over the M16/M4 - like easier cleaning and use of the durable HK steel M16 30 round magazine. As for G36 HK G36 is no longer even being imported to the US, apparently.

The HK 416 is currently being used in combat by US forces and is employed by LE.

- Some Army units are currently fielding thgis weapon in combat in Iraq.

- I have heard directly from members of one large east coast SWAT team that has dumped their HK G36 (because they lost zero due to heating of the composite parts) in favor of the new HK 416.

See here to learn more about the HK 416:

HK official site:

http://www.hkdefense.us/pages/military-le/rifles-carbines/hk416.html

HK community site - this includes story and images of combat use of HK416 by US army in Iraq:

http://www.hkpro.com/hk416.htm

Further US SOCOM has officially adopted the FN SCAR in 5.56 and 7.62 NATO to replace it's M4s, and other SOCOM people use the HK 416 as well - both are again in combat alrready.. So there are two modern in use replacements to the M16/M4 right now - though limited in quantity.

Since its based on the familar M16 pattern the HK416 would be a great easy to convert to Assault Rifle for regular US troops who could use a more modern, more reliable and easier to service weapon. Of course we can still debate 5.56, 6.8 and 7.62 ccalibers endlessly after that.

tikky · « **Reply #57 on:** August 13, 2006, 11:44:33 PM »

Geeez why do Western assault rifles.... made in USA, Israel, and Germany have to be sooo complicated. It would be best if US army equip themselves with AK-47s and they only cost $40. AK's have been around for 57 years and its is as reliable as a Japanese car. Soak an AK-47 on salt water or sand and it still works!

If they don't like $40 cheap imitations, they can issue these:cool:

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #58 on:** August 14, 2006, 12:41:59 AM »

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Geeez why do Western assault rifles.... made in USA, Israel, and Germany have to be sooo complicated.

White Collar Welfare

wulfie · « **Reply #59 on:** August 14, 2006, 01:17:24 AM »

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The HK 416 is currently being used in combat by US forces and is employed by LE.

It would be nice to get my hands on one of those 416s.

But I have to admit I have never had a problem with my M4. I believe the 416 is better, but I have no complaints when it comes to the M4.

I had an M4/6.8 for a few months awhile back, that was a really nice weapon.

Now a 416 in 6.8 - oooh baby.

The guys I have talked to who have been exposed to the SCAR have nothing but good things to say about them as well.