Author Topic: Motorcycle helmet law? (Read 3266 times)

moot · « **Reply #165 on:** August 14, 2006, 06:43:05 AM »

john, twisting plays a good part in knockouts. I'm pretty sure longitudinal acceleration isn't enough.

There was a big polemic between one or more helmet makers/ safety rating commisions (DOT or snell or whatever) a while ago: depending on the shape of the item struck by the helmet, helmets with the best safety ratings performed the best, or the worse. I.e. the cheapest 5 bucks helmet sometimes performed better than the most expensive multiple rating helmet.
The difference was among other things, in optimization for blunt, or sharp objects.
The polemic was that the safety organisations were effectively misleading the public and safety standards.

There's a few articles detailing the issue here: http://www.smf.org/articles.html
The polemic started with Motorcyclist mag's June2005 article, which I don't have a link to; but here's Snell's reponse:
http://www.smf.org/articles/pdf/btlo_tech_response_2.pdf

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #166 on:** August 14, 2006, 08:24:08 AM »

Lost cause. And.... Ignore.

lukster · « **Reply #167 on:** August 14, 2006, 08:45:03 AM »

I think stats will show at least a slight decrease in concussions among helmet wearers in accidents vs non wearers. Stats can be manipulated though. Consider the added weight of a helmet. Provided your head isn't meeting an unmoveable object, the extra mass moving with your brain helps to move it's opponent out of the way.

Even if concussions aren't a significant factor in the protection provided by a helmet there can be little doubt that helmets, like seatbelts, save lives.

Protect the young but allow adults the freedom to choose.

lazs2 · « **Reply #168 on:** August 14, 2006, 08:55:24 AM »

Ok dago...now I get it.... you are gonna buy a bike and you don't want to be one of the few wearing a helmet and looking like the guy wearing safety glasses to pee sooooo...

You want to force everyone to.

I see all your figures about dead non helmet wearing bikers but.... dead doesn't cost much. Where are the figures for vegetable ones that we are supporting for decades in their vegetable state?

And... why would you not be for simply allowing the insurance companies the right to charge more for insurance for those who do not wear helmets?

Many states don't force citizens to be socialists and wear helmets and their insurance companies survive... their hospitals are not crippled by the legions of brain dead vegetables gathering cobwebs in all their rooms.

probly cheaper for us to have a young guy smash his mellon and die than to turn into a fatso and need 47 heart surgeries before he succombs to a lingering and expensive tumor.

lazs

Dago · « **Reply #169 on:** August 14, 2006, 04:15:21 PM »

Wow, I am starting to think this board is full of overreacting nut cases. Just because I think (and girls, I am entitled to an opinion even if it is differant than yours) helmet laws are a good idea, you ladies go all ballistic and call names, stomp your feet and generally overreact.

Geez fellows, take a chill pill and get a life.

Maverick · « **Reply #170 on:** August 14, 2006, 04:17:55 PM »

Dago,

Not all of us.

I ride for me. I wear gear because I am aware of the traffic situation and I am concerned for my safety.

I don't care what another niker rides or wears. I ride for me, not for show or to impress anyone.

Bogie603rd · « **Reply #171 on:** August 14, 2006, 04:21:00 PM »

There's a good motorcyclist! I used to watch people injure themselves driving down the Taunus mountains of Germany. They wouldn't be wearing gear, and since the road swirves in the "S" pattern, they would accellerate to speeds of about 80 KmH going down that hill. Next time you pass them the police is already investigating how the driver "slipped on black ice" in 26 degree celcius temperature.

Excuses Excuses.

Dago · « **Reply #172 on:** August 14, 2006, 06:39:57 PM »

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Originally posted by Maverick
Dago,

I don't care what another niker rides or wears. I ride for me, not for show or to impress anyone.

Congrats on having the self esteem and guts necessary to follow your own path. Too many buy overpriced noisy bikes to be part of the group, so they can belong.

lazs2 · « **Reply #173 on:** August 15, 2006, 09:12:59 AM »

dago... You are most certainly entitled to your opinion and.... I would be the last person to tell you that you couldn't wear a helmet or a seatbelt or.... a firesuit or whatever you wanted.

Your opinion is fine... you are not entitled to tell me what to wear tho. Only a socialist would think he had the right to tell others they had to wear seatbelts and helmets.

lazs

Dago · « **Reply #174 on:** August 15, 2006, 05:39:23 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
dago... You are most certainly entitled to your opinion and.... I would be the last person to tell you that you couldn't wear a helmet or a seatbelt or.... a firesuit or whatever you wanted.

Your opinion is fine... you are not entitled to tell me what to wear tho. Only a socialist would think he had the right to tell others they had to wear seatbelts and helmets.

lazs

I am not telling you to wear a helmet or a seatbelt, that is what I think the government should do.

john9001 · « **Reply #175 on:** August 15, 2006, 08:18:52 PM »

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Originally posted by Dago
I am not telling you to wear a helmet or a seatbelt, that is what I think the government should do.

the government? who the hell is the government, somebody like mckinney?

the govt is a bunch of a-hole politicians that only want to get reelected.

you want people like that making your laws?

Dago · « **Reply #176 on:** August 15, 2006, 08:26:07 PM »

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Originally posted by john9001
the government? who the hell is the government, somebody like mckinney?

the govt is a bunch of a-hole politicians that only want to get reelected.

you want people like that making your laws?

Ah dude, hate to be the one to break it to you, but they already do.

john9001 · « **Reply #177 on:** August 15, 2006, 08:50:08 PM »

the house of representatives was never intended to be a permanent life time job, it was supposed to be for "common" people to go to congress and serve 2 years and then go back to their old lives.

perhaps it is time for a change back to what the signers of the Constitution intended.