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How can the U.S. maintain a technological edge?
« on: August 15, 2006, 04:26:16 PM »
How can the U.S. maintain its technological edge over the rest of the World?  

Now it seems to me that other countries, such as India and China, are cutting the technology gap by using a very sneaky method- education.  India offers free college to anyone who wants a degree in computer-science.  Fully 1/3rd of graduate students in the U.S. are foreign.

So what are we to do?

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« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2006, 04:41:40 PM »
Clearly, we need to take all our money and our young people, and...
send them to foreign countries.
Also, let's piss away billions flying a 30 year old deathtrap spacecraft.  
That's my plan!  :aok
Back on topic, nothing will happen unless our society starts to value education instead of focusing on issues like gay marriage, Lacey Peterson, Mt. Soledad, presidential hummers, war on drugs, war on immigration, etc.
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Re: How can the U.S. maintain a technological edge?
« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2006, 04:57:27 PM »
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How can the U.S. maintain its technological edge over the rest of the World?  

Now it seems to me that other countries, such as India and China, are cutting the technology gap by using a very sneaky method- education.  India offers free college to anyone who wants a degree in computer-science.  Fully 1/3rd of graduate students in the U.S. are foreign.

So what are we to do?


What do we do, why nothing of course. We continue to let them educate their children in our piss poor education system while our kids get a real education in better countries.

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« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2006, 05:03:02 PM »
Actually we have an awesome education system when it comes to technology at the post graduate level.  The problem is that there aren't enough Americans qualified or willing to take part in it.  On the other hand, a lot of the foreign students stay here and work, and there are social benefits.  In my department I got to know people from Poland, Pakistan, Russia, India, China, Taiwan, Korea, Turkey, Czech Republic, etc.

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« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2006, 05:04:49 PM »
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« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2006, 05:37:47 PM »
Remember, in the end, there are only 4 things that we can do better than everyone else:
- music
- movies
- microcode (software)
- high-speed pizza delivery
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Re: How can the U.S. maintain a technological edge?
« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2006, 05:45:54 PM »
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How can the U.S. maintain its technological edge over the rest of the World?  

Now it seems to me that other countries, such as India and China, are cutting the technology gap by using a very sneaky method- education.  India offers free college to anyone who wants a degree in computer-science.  Fully 1/3rd of graduate students in the U.S. are foreign.

So what are we to do?


Between federal Pell Grants and student loan deferments anyone from a low income house hold can go to school if they want too...

If your goal is to have more students taking science type courses, it would be better to create incentives like awarding more federal pell grants to students wanting to take theses type courses.    

But regardless of whether or not we have more students taking science courses if there are no jobs for them what good will it do?

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Re: How can the U.S. maintain a technological edge?
« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2006, 06:12:03 PM »
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Fully 1/3rd of graduate students in the U.S. are foreign.

So what are we to do?


Would that mean that the remaining 2/3 are not foreign?

2 of 3 grad students in America are American?  

Where did these students get their primary, secondary, and undergrad education?
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« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2006, 06:16:40 PM »
Some, like Chinese and Indian grad students, received their undergrad education in their home countries.  Others, especially those from Africa, received undergrad education in the U.S.

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« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2006, 06:18:16 PM »
Where do the 2/3's who are Americans receive theirs?
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Re: How can the U.S. maintain a technological edge?
« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2006, 06:18:51 PM »
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How can the U.S. maintain its technological edge over the rest of the World?  

Now it seems to me that other countries, such as India and China, are cutting the technology gap by using a very sneaky method- education.  India offers free college to anyone who wants a degree in computer-science.  Fully 1/3rd of graduate students in the U.S. are foreign.

So what are we to do?


The sad but true thing is the thief's in the U.S. goverment don't even realize that education has a great return of investment.   (rollseyes)

I guess they just want their pork now, always now.

We need to offer full tuition for undergrads.  Not too likely to happen anytime soon though.

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« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2006, 06:29:21 PM »
Well, Dupont gives enormous grants to educate honor students in the field of Chemical Engineering. I had a couple buddies who actually got paid to attend the University of Delaware CE Honors program(one of the best if not the best in the nation for Chemical Engineering). As soon as school was over, Dupont scooped them up and put them to work. It was a great promoter of the discipline.

The thing to do would be to widen this approach for other areas of engineering. This will help keep the talent in the engineering field, I believe. It won't, however, solve the problem entirely.

I have another friend who just finished a PHD program at Virginia Tech in Aerospace engineering. He's got a job lined up with the Airforce, but is already talking about dropping it and heading off to work for a startup that some of his older classmates have going (they're developing a fiberoptic fly-by-wire system for military aircraft, dubbed Fly by Fiber). He says, understandably, that the real money is in the private sector, and not with the huge companies, but with the small ones. Starting your own company, once unthinkably risky in that field, is now becoming an only way out.

I think that despite all the out-sourcing, it's exactly this sort of risky behavior that will be our saving grace. The brains are out there, and as long as they keep getting those degrees, they will be looking for ways to maximize their ability to earn (yes, the bucks make the difference). Earning, these days, cannot be gauranteed for jobs that can be readily given away for 1/5 the price, so it has to be done with creativity and originality. Our biggest task is to narrow the gap between how many engineers we produce, and how many are turned out by china and india.

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« Reply #12 on: August 15, 2006, 06:44:14 PM »
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« Reply #13 on: August 15, 2006, 10:36:42 PM »
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Remember, in the end, there are only 4 things that we can do better than everyone else:
- music
- movies
- microcode (software)
- high-speed pizza delivery


While you may have had your tougue firmly planted while typing this, it's interesting that none of those perceptions may be true.

US music is no longer as popular outside the US as it was, or still perceived to be. Check out the top songs and artists and you'll see home-grown across the board in other continents. Same for movies. You would not find the same sentiment about US software, or even pizza delivery, outside the US.

The more traveled and involved you are in international business, the faster the bubbles of superiority burst.

One technology the US does better than anyone else is weapons development, manufacturing and delivery technology. And in a world where might has always made right, that seems to be the technology that matters.

Foreign university students in the US are declining in general, due to visa restrictions, and computer engineering is the fastest declining category because the US has no advantage any more. Mathematics is mathematics and US students are not more advanced in mathematics than the rest of the world. International collegiate software competitions are not dominated by US universities. In fact, the US does poorly in them.

Basic mathematics, trigonometry and calculus, have not changed for centuries, so why have university mandatory textbooks in the US become as expensive as used cars? Treating education as a for-profit business can't be helping all able students access.

I don't think the US is 'threatened' by the education of others. I know that wasn't said here, but there are people who promote that image. Not everyone is university caliber. US public school does a poor job of preparing high school graduates without university potential to do anything.

With 5 billion people in the world and 25% having an IQ above 110, it stands to reason that there will always be more people outside the US improving their education and technology than in a US with 300 million people.

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« Reply #14 on: August 15, 2006, 11:19:33 PM »
I think the main difference is the opportunity that someone without a degree has in the U.S. vs alot of other countries. It really isn't that big of a deal. I earn a salary that is mid-upper range for most BS or BE degree holders without having a degree. I'm a bit lucky to get my job and would not be re-hired for it since I don't have a degree, but the opportunity presented itself and here I am. My dad earns a salary very close to mine as a truck driver for UPS. He's been doing that for 40 years now. No degree there and a very nice living for his lower-middle class family and a migration to upper-middle class as the years rolled on. No degree needed there.

I haven't noticed a leap of intelligence umongst the upper educated no matter where the people are from. The PhDs I work with (75% PhDs here) are your typical smatter of people. I am amazed at some of the specialty education the people receive and the knowledge they have in their field, but they all end up coming to me or one of my two co-workers in the end to ask for help. They're so specialized that they can't function on a broad scale. It's rather odd.

As to how the U.S. can maintain a technical edge... it's strictly driven by supply and demand as well as the inginuity of a few people (just as many without degrees as with them). The rest of us just hang on for the ride.