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« Reply #15 on: August 17, 2006, 05:38:56 PM »
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yea the lack of 2 guns can be a real pain, some times u feel it but then some times u have to put extra rounds into the con.




If you can't kill something with 4x .50 caliber machine guns...you won't kill them with 6x .50 caliber machine guns.  Hit targets at the convergence point and you'll see that 4x .50 calibers can make planes go !BOOM! quite nicely.


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« Reply #16 on: August 17, 2006, 10:48:44 PM »
when ur divein on a heavy bomber its harder to take him down, i remember once i was attackin a set of 2 wit another fighter, the bomber had has guns focused on the other guy, i sat my guns directly on the wing, alot of hits to take the wing off. fighter to fighter it gets the job done but when ur hiting heavyer targets u have to put more rounds on a con. 51d has a 4 gun option, but all the 51ds i see are carryin the 6, pretty sure if there was an option for the 6 guns on the p1b it would be the same deal.

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« Reply #17 on: August 17, 2006, 11:00:49 PM »
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alot of hits to take the wing off.


Maybe, but in real life, .50s didn't take wings off of most things, especially bombers.
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« Reply #18 on: August 18, 2006, 04:03:44 AM »
Okay, does the B have that same sucky sight as the D? (And yes i know i can change them, but i wont. I fly as realistic as possible!:furious ) And, which is better at BOTH 12,000 feet, and 1-5,000?

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« Reply #19 on: August 18, 2006, 09:00:44 AM »
that gunsight is good, especially when you come from "almost" 6 OC (my speciality is to miss afk kills)
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« Reply #20 on: August 18, 2006, 12:42:33 PM »
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Okay, does the B have that same sucky sight as the D? (And yes i know i can change them, but i wont. I fly as realistic as possible!:furious ) And, which is better at BOTH 12,000 feet, and 1-5,000?


Here's a tip: While in the cockpit on the runway, on your clipboard, click Options, Preferences and Gunsights.

Move the Alpha slider all the way to the right. End the sortie. Respawn.

You will notice that there is no gunsight. Now, go practice without a gunsight for a while. Eventually, you will discover that the gunsight is not essential beyond being a useful reference. Later, go back and move the slider back towards the left, but keeping the sight quite translucent.

This exercise should improve your gunnery skills.

As to tracers... Most guys like them on, a few of us prefer them off. I have had them off for years. I don't want the enemy knowing I'm shooting until he's been hit.

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« Reply #21 on: August 18, 2006, 01:37:32 PM »
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I fly as realistic as possible!


I don't think any of the included gunsights are realistic. The PonyD's might be since HT flew one, but I don't think so.
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« Reply #22 on: August 18, 2006, 04:01:34 PM »
The D is. I just got all the historical ones from other places.

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« Reply #23 on: August 18, 2006, 05:03:40 PM »
"The PonyD's might be since HT flew one, but I don't think so."

The version of P-51D we have in AH (most likely a P-51D-25-NA) had the K-14 lead-computing gunsite, while the plane as modeled in AH obviously lacks that particular item.  The missing gunsight is an acknowledged and acceptable gameplay concession.


The P-51B we have in AH is an early model with the V-1650-5 engine, most likely a P-51B-5-NA.  This engine had a different supercharger gear ratio with a higher critical altitude than the -7 engine used in later production models.  This means the AH P-51B performs distinctly better than the P-51D above 25K.  Most of the WW2 pilots who preferred the "B" over the "D" (such as Col. "Bud" Anderson) flew B models with the V-1650-5 engine.  The engine change and consequent loss of performance at 25-30K was much hated, as that's where they were doing most of their fighting.

At very low altitudes (ie, where most fighting in the AH MA takes place), the P-51B performs worse than the P-51D in several ways, and its advantages are mostly marginalized if you choose the 4-gun option on the "D".  The AH P-51B makes for a fine perk farmer, but understand that it doesn't really shine unless you take it up really high.

If we could have a P-51B/C with the V-1650-7 engine and 150-grade fuel performance (72'' MAP at WEP instead of 67''), that'd make for an extremely fun fighter for MA conditions.

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« Reply #24 on: August 18, 2006, 06:06:59 PM »
Well, I have no idea why I can't fly a P-51D worth anything, but can rack kills in a B then. Oh well.
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« Reply #25 on: August 18, 2006, 07:29:57 PM »
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The P-51B we have in AH is an early model with the V-1650-5 engine, most likely a P-51B-5-NA. This engine had a different supercharger gear ratio with a higher critical altitude than the -7 engine used in later production models. This means the AH P-51B performs distinctly better than the P-51D above 25K. Most of the WW2 pilots who preferred the "B" over the "D" (such as Col. "Bud" Anderson) flew B models with the V-1650-5 engine. The engine change and consequent loss of performance at 25-30K was much hated, as that's where they were doing most of their fighting.
Never seen a V1650-5 listed for the P-51B. I have never come across a V1650-5 before. Are you sure you did not mean a -3 engine.

The -3 had a 6.391:0 ratio in low and a 8.095:0 in high. The -7 changed the ratios to 5.802:1 in low and 7.349:1 in high.

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« Reply #26 on: August 18, 2006, 07:38:11 PM »
MiloMorai--you're right, I got the engine designation wrong.  I meant the V-1650-3.   I appreciate the correction, as I use this sort of information very rarely these days.

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« Reply #27 on: August 18, 2006, 11:50:07 PM »
so if u had to pick one, d or b, what will it be.

 I myself cant say, a fight between the 2 of them comes down to the pilot. Its a great plane, in most cases if there faster then u u can turn better, if they turn better u are faster, keep ur e and u are a rough customer, and if u get in trouble she will bring u home. NO wonder men fell in love wit her, i would be heart broken if they made me go home after haveing somethin like that.

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« Reply #28 on: August 19, 2006, 12:22:52 AM »
I just finished a book by an A-36 pilot, he said the CW back then was guys who wanted to be heros flew the 51 & guy who wanted to go home alive flew the 47...of course he survived 3 emergency/crash landings in his A-36...:noid :noid :noid

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« Reply #29 on: August 19, 2006, 09:44:54 AM »
IIRC the V-1650-5 was a version planned for the Airacobra or the Kingcobra.

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