P62, Bish pulled off what Rooks could not

[Donzo]

Originally posted by Grits
Just because you busted the ressuply does not legitimize exploiting the LVT spawn bug.

No, but it does show (as we stated at the time) that there WAS a way to overcome the alleged explotation of the bug.  
Maybe this is why the bug has not been fixed...HTC sees that it is not impossible to overcome the situation, therefore there is nothing that need to be fixed.  
Was there another alternative?  Yes, we saw the instant gratification alternative in all its glory last year.

[Bear76]

Originally posted by Grits
Actually, that is your opinion and nothing else, and surely not vindication. The only thing this does prove is that the map bug was not fixed, and that the Rooks (and I suspect the Knights) are just as willing to use the bug as the Bish were last year. Using this bug is not cheating, but it is exploiting a known bug no matter who does it. I defended Zazen last year, and I would have any Bish if they had switched to move the CV.

Just because you busted the ressuply does not legitimize exploiting the LVT spawn bug.

  Grits, Bish don't get much to brag about. Let em have there 15 seconds of fame:lol

[Treize69]

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by Grits
Actually, that is your opinion and nothing else, and surely not vindication. The only thing this does prove is that the map bug was not fixed, and that the Rooks (and I suspect the Knights) are just as willing to use the bug as the Bish were last year. Using this bug is not cheating, but it is exploiting a known bug no matter who does it. I defended Zazen last year, and I would have any Bish if they had switched to move the CV.

Just because you busted the ressuply does not legitimize exploiting the LVT spawn bug.

Exactly Grits, and thank-you. What was not achieved by myself or by Bish was a 'reasonable' solution to the exploitation of a loophole in the practical dynamic of in-game supply. By 'reasonable' I mean a solution either hard-coded into the game itself (no immediate dry-land spawn and re-supply) or a solution by players that does not require an effort that goes...way...way... way beyond the normal course of gameplay. If the only solutions to this problem thus  far is either a high ranked player switching to remove the exploitation itself or several individuals investing literally hours  of boredom and tedium, manually driving a GV overland to set-up a spawn camp of the exploitation, then the fact is the game is clearly broken in this regard...We should not be required to step far out of the bounds of normal gameplay to fix a problem of mechanics and community exploitation, that is simply 'un-reasonable'.

Although HiTech never commented publicly on this issue last year, I strongly 'suspect' the hours and hours of programming time required to fix this unusual and geographically conditional problem far out-weighs its overall impact on gameplay. In trying to fix this isolated oddity of the re-supply dynamic and geography it's entirely possible HTC could break other things, or worse, in the process.

By the way, the reason I was able to fix the problem last year in about 2 minutes as opposed to the minimum 2 hours it took Bish this year was the fact I out-ranked any Bish online at the time. If you looked at the roster this year at the time, you'll notice there's not a snowball's chance in hell any Bish out-ranked a Rook online at the time. So, while I applaud the alernative solution, it was only a necessary alternative because the solution we chose last year was not an option for Bish....So perhaps parking  the 'holier than thou' attitude in the garage is appropriate? ...

Zazen

[OOZ662]

[Donzo]

Originally posted by Zazen13
If you looked at the roster this year at the time, you'll notice there's not a snowball's chance in hell any Bish out-ranked a Rook online at the time. So, while I applaud the alernative solution, it was only a necessary alternative because the solution we chose last year was not an option for Bish....So perhaps parking  the 'holier than thou' attitude in the garage is appropriate? ...

Zazen

So let me ask you this...were you online at the time this took place recently?  Did you actually see that there wasn't "a snowball's chance in hell" that any Bish outranked a rook at the time?

[Zazen13]

I'm always on in one form or another .

Zazen

[Donzo]

Originally posted by Zazen13
I'm always on in one form or another .

Zazen

Is that so?  
I wonder, why did Bish have to resort to driving a sector in GV's to end the alleged explotation of the bug this time when a fine upstanding community member such as yourself who's interested in "maintaining the integrity of gameplay" could have just "removed it from the range required to perpetuate the exploitation of the re-supply bug"?

[LTARokit]

Zazen no disrespect intended with my post Bro., if you took it that way then please accept my sorries.

I don't agree with your resolve to the problem a year ago, but at the same time I don't agree with the Bish's resolve..........driving 2 hours with a Tiger!!!!!  OMG bored to tears

Seems to me, IMHO, the resolution would be to add spawn points.  I have no idea how hard this would be, I'm the original dweeb when it comes to puters & programming.  To me it seems as simple as highlight, copy, and paste........but then what do I know.

What I do know is, currently we have to take measures in our own hands to resolve the problem, which is either jump countries, or drive cross country for 2 hours..................neithe r of which is right.  Hopefull HTC will give some input on this subject, they're pretty good about saying "why or why not".


Rokit

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by Donzo
Is that so?  
I wonder, why did Bish have to resort to driving a sector in GV's to end the alleged explotation of the bug this time when a fine upstanding community member such as yourself who's interested in "maintaining the integrity of gameplay" could have just "removed it from the range required to perpetuate the exploitation of the re-supply bug"?

Maybe because I no longer play for rank and my rank is over 1000!

Zazen

[Donzo]

Originally posted by Zazen13
Maybe because I no longer play for rank and my rank is over 1000!

Zazen

Ha ha...that's pretty funny alright.

Originally posted by Zazen13 (08-14-2005 10:22 PM)
When it was determined that there was absolutely no possible way this base could be taken so long as Bishops chose to abuse the re-supply exploit we discussed other options. The 'final solution' as it were, was to have myself, who at the time out-ranked any Bishop to switch to Bishops to gain control of the CV just long enough to remove it from LVT re-supply exploit range. I did not come to this decision alone, it actually wasn't even my idea, Rooks discussed it in comittee and only after exploring absolutely every other possible option. I did this and gave up control once it was just far enough away to prevent LVT's from being able to instantly spawn on P62 and re-supply it.

Tell me, did this discussion take place this time?

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by LTARokit
Zazen no disrespect intended with my post Bro., if you took it that way then please accept my sorries.

What I do know is, currently we have to take measures in our own hands to resolve the problem, which is either jump countries, or drive cross country for 2 hours..................neithe r of which is right.  Hopefull HTC will give some input on this subject, they're pretty good about saying "why or why not".


Rokit

Yea, no problem. The point of this post today was not to defend my position so much. The point was to re-iterate what I said a year ago, and what you just reworded here. The simple fact is placing this 'unreasonable' burden on the players/customers to resolve a game mechanics issue that results in frustrations and ill-will between hundreds of people in the community is inappropriate.

To be perfectly honest, if a year ago had the thought occurred to me (or any other Rook)  to drive a Tiger overland for 2 hours to spawn camp the exploiters I still would have opted for the 2 minute solution of moving the CV out of exploitation range. The fact that we the players/customers are put in  a position to have to choose between those two 'un-reasonable' and unsavory options is a testament to the fact that the game is broken in this isolated regard.

Whether HTC deems this breakage severe enough to warrant the investment of copious amounts of map re-working/programming is entirely up to them, but until they do, it is by default up to us the players/customers to resolve this exploitation issue as we collectively see fit whenever it rears its ugly head.

Zazen

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by Donzo


Tell me, did this discussion take place this time?

Yea, there were discussions, divisive, resulting an alot of angst and boycotting of that part of the map by the moral majority. Suffice it to say Rooks are demographically much different now than they were a year ago.The impetus to troublshoot a solution was not as forthcoming when on the other end of the 'fiddle-stick' as one would expect given human nature.

Zazen

[Donzo]

Originally posted by Zazen13
Yea, there were discussions, divisive, resulting an alot of angst and boycotting of that part of the map by the moral majority. Suffice it to say Rooks are demographically much different now than they were a year ago.The impetus to troublshoot a solution was not as forthcoming when on the other end of the 'fiddle-stick' as one would expect given human nature.

Zazen

How convenient.

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by Donzo
How convenient.

It doesn't take a someone with a PhD in Psychology to realise that basic human nature, especially when extrapolated to the scope of group dynamics,  largely dictates reactions to problems. Unless morality and a sense of fairplay kicks in, which is on a higher mental level than basic human nature, those victimized by exploitation are going to be more upset, therefore motivated, than those perpetrating it to find a viable solution....

Zazen