Blair 'feels betrayed by Bush on Lebanon'

[Angus]

You all please bear in mind how small those territories are.
Half of Israel and Lebanon are within each other's artillery range.

I remember from another thread that someone said that the Lebanese army was totally undermanned to restrain the Hizbollah.

2 things about this. Land army AFAIK is 60.000 people.
That's not much less than the British army today AFAIK 80.000.
(there could be confusion with total numbers vs army only the brits have the RN, Marines I belive, Army and the RAF, - but come on, 60.000 is more than a show)

What it boils down is that the Lebanese let the Hizbollah follow their own way with arming up and attacking Israel from Lebanese soil, - they now have a bloody nose from the fight.

[Elfie]

Originally posted by KgB
Deffending?Leveling half of Lebanon you call defending?Does anybody know on what territory those two Israeli's were "kidnaped"?

AFAIK, only the Arabs are saying the captured soldiers were in Lebanon. Israel was behind the *blue line*, the boundary defined by the UN. Israel had the UN define the boundary just so there wouldnt be this type of problem. Doesnt matter what Israel does to try to avoid problems with the extremists. The extremists will create problems just to keep ongoing strife in the region.

[KgB]

Originally posted by Elfie
AFAIK, only the Arabs are saying the captured soldiers were in Lebanon. Israel was behind the *blue line*, the boundary defined by the UN. Israel had the UN define the boundary just so there wouldnt be this type of problem. Doesnt matter what Israel does to try to avoid problems with the extremists. The extremists will create problems just to keep ongoing strife in the region.

Ever read Talmud?

1. Sanhedrin 59a: "Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal."

2. Abodah Zara 26b: "Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed."

3. Sanhedrin 59a: "A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death."

4. Libbre David 37: "To communicate anything to a Goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the Goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly."

5. Libbre David 37: "If a Jew be called upon to explain any part of the rabbinic books, he ought to give only a false explanation. Who ever will violate this order shall be put to death."

6. Yebhamoth 11b: "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age."

7. Schabouth Hag. 6d: "Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording."

8. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Do not save Goyim in danger of death."

9. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Show no mercy to the Goyim."

10. Choschen Hamm 388, 15: "If it can be proven that someone has given the money of Israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of the earth."

11. Choschen Hamm 266,1: "A Jew may keep anything he finds which belongs to the Akum (Gentile). For he who returns lost property (to Gentiles) sins against the Law by increasing the power of the transgressors of the Law. It is praiseworthy, however, to return lost property if it is done to honor the name of God, namely, if by so doing, Christians will praise the Jews and look upon them as honorable people."

12. Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Dia 17: "A Jew should and must make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them."

13. Baba Necia 114, 6: "The Jews are human beings, but the nations of the world are not human beings but beasts."

14. Simeon Haddarsen, fol. 56-D: "When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves."

15. Nidrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L: "Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night."

16. Aboda Sarah 37a: "A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated."

17. Gad. Shas. 2:2: "A Jew may violate but not marry a non-Jewish girl."

18. Tosefta. Aboda Zara B, 5: "If a goy kills a goy or a Jew, he is responsible; but if a Jew kills a goy, he is NOT responsible."

19. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 388: "It is permitted to kill a Jewish denunciator everywhere. It is permitted to kill him even before he denounces."

20. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348: "All property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation, which, consequently, is entitled to seize upon it without any scruples."

21. Tosefta, Abda Zara VIII, 5: "How to interpret the word 'robbery.' A goy is forbidden to steal, rob, or take women slaves, etc., from a goy or from a Jew. But a Jew is NOT forbidden to do all this to a goy."

22. Seph. Jp., 92, 1: "God has given the Jews power over the possessions and blood of all
nations."

23. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 156: "When a Jew has a Gentile in his clutches,
another Jew may go to the same Gentile, lend him money and in turn deceive him, so that
the Gentile shall be ruined. For the property of a Gentile, according to our law, belongs to
no one, and the first Jew that passes has full right to seize it."

24. Schulchan Aruch, Johre Deah, 122: "A Jew is forbidden to drink from a glass of wine
which a Gentile has touched, because the touch has made the wine unclean."

25. Nedarim 23b: "He who desires that none of his vows made during the year be valid, let
him stand at the beginning of the year and declare, 'Every vow which I may make in the
future shall be null'. His vows are then invalid."

[Maverick]

Still wearing the sheet kgb? It suits you well.

[~Caligula~]

kgb
have u read the talmud?
whatever u find a neo-nazi website isn`t necessary the truth.

[Momus--]

Originally posted by Thrawn
lols, what ****ing influence?

Our PM's influence over Dubya's choice of knitwear  obviously.

Beat that Canada.  

[Kazaa]

Personal I don’t share my politics with people that I hardly know on a computer game website. But I think George W Bush has let a lot more people down then just Tony Blair. himself, the American people and  rest of the world come to mind.

I love the goodness of the American people,  but your government is wank. How he got a second term I have no idea, what a banana ! The same applies to blair.

Did anyone else see George Galloway destroy Sky News on the topic Israel Vs Lebanon, the media will poison the world man !

George Galloway PWNING Sky News

[Elfie]

Originally posted by KgB
Ever read Talmud?

1. Sanhedrin 59a: "Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal."

2. Abodah Zara 26b: "Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed."

3. Sanhedrin 59a: "A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death."

4. Libbre David 37: "To communicate anything to a Goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the Goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly."

5. Libbre David 37: "If a Jew be called upon to explain any part of the rabbinic books, he ought to give only a false explanation. Who ever will violate this order shall be put to death."

6. Yebhamoth 11b: "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age."

7. Schabouth Hag. 6d: "Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording."

8. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Do not save Goyim in danger of death."

9. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Show no mercy to the Goyim."

10. Choschen Hamm 388, 15: "If it can be proven that someone has given the money of Israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of the earth."

11. Choschen Hamm 266,1: "A Jew may keep anything he finds which belongs to the Akum (Gentile). For he who returns lost property (to Gentiles) sins against the Law by increasing the power of the transgressors of the Law. It is praiseworthy, however, to return lost property if it is done to honor the name of God, namely, if by so doing, Christians will praise the Jews and look upon them as honorable people."

12. Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Dia 17: "A Jew should and must make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them."

13. Baba Necia 114, 6: "The Jews are human beings, but the nations of the world are not human beings but beasts."

14. Simeon Haddarsen, fol. 56-D: "When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves."

15. Nidrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L: "Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night."

16. Aboda Sarah 37a: "A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated."

17. Gad. Shas. 2:2: "A Jew may violate but not marry a non-Jewish girl."

18. Tosefta. Aboda Zara B, 5: "If a goy kills a goy or a Jew, he is responsible; but if a Jew kills a goy, he is NOT responsible."

19. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 388: "It is permitted to kill a Jewish denunciator everywhere. It is permitted to kill him even before he denounces."

20. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348: "All property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation, which, consequently, is entitled to seize upon it without any scruples."

21. Tosefta, Abda Zara VIII, 5: "How to interpret the word 'robbery.' A goy is forbidden to steal, rob, or take women slaves, etc., from a goy or from a Jew. But a Jew is NOT forbidden to do all this to a goy."

22. Seph. Jp., 92, 1: "God has given the Jews power over the possessions and blood of all
nations."

23. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 156: "When a Jew has a Gentile in his clutches,
another Jew may go to the same Gentile, lend him money and in turn deceive him, so that
the Gentile shall be ruined. For the property of a Gentile, according to our law, belongs to
no one, and the first Jew that passes has full right to seize it."

24. Schulchan Aruch, Johre Deah, 122: "A Jew is forbidden to drink from a glass of wine
which a Gentile has touched, because the touch has made the wine unclean."

25. Nedarim 23b: "He who desires that none of his vows made during the year be valid, let
him stand at the beginning of the year and declare, 'Every vow which I may make in the
future shall be null'. His vows are then invalid."

From Wikipedia:

Some groups and individuals consider that passages in the Talmud show that Judaism is inherently racist. Critics of these charges argue that the passages in question do not indicate inherent racism on the part of the Talmud (and Judaism), but rather mistranslation, falsification, and selective choice of quotes out of context, on the part of those making the charges. The Anti-Defamation League's report on this topic states:

    By selectively citing various passages from the Talmud and Midrash, polemicists have sought to demonstrate that Judaism espouses hatred for non-Jews (and specifically for Christians), and promotes obscenity, sexual perversion, and other immoral behavior. To make these passages serve their purposes, these polemicists frequently mistranslate them or cite them out of context (wholesale fabrication of passages is not unknown)...
    In distorting the normative meanings of rabbinic texts, anti-Talmud writers frequently remove passages from their textual and historical contexts. Even when they present their citations accurately, they judge the passages based on contemporary moral standards, ignoring the fact that the majority of these passages were composed close to two thousand years ago by people living in cultures radically different from our own. They are thus able to ignore Judaism's long history of social progress and paint it instead as a primitive and parochial religion.
    Those who attack the Talmud frequently cite ancient rabbinic sources without noting subsequent developments in Jewish thought, and without making a good-faith effort to consult with contemporary Jewish authorities who can explain the role of these sources in normative Jewish thought and practice.

Rabbi Gil Student, a prolific author on the internet, exposes anti-Talmud accusations and writes:

    Anti-Talmud accusations have a long history dating back to the 13th century when the associates of the Inquisition attempted to defame Jews and their religion [see Yitzchak Baer, A History of Jews in Christian Spain, vol. I pp. 150-185]. The early material compiled by hateful preachers like Raymond Martini and Nicholas Donin remain the basis of all subsequent accusations against the Talmud. Some are true, most are false and based on quotations taken out of context, and some are total fabrications [see Baer, ch. 4 f. 54, 82 that it has been proven that Raymond Martini forged quotations]. On the Internet today we can find many of these old accusations being rehashed...


What does your wall of text have to do with your original comment and my response to it? I don't get it.

[KgB]

Originally posted by Elfie
From Wikipedia:


Rabbi Gil Student, a prolific author on the internet, exposes anti-Talmud accusations and writes:

 

What does your wall of text have to do with your original comment and my response to it? I don't get it.

5. Libbre David 37: "If a Jew be called upon to explain any part of the rabbinic books, he ought to give only a false explanation. Who ever will violate this order shall be put to death."

It's just we believe in what we were told to believe.Nobody questions Israel,God forbid  of being called anti-semite.

[KgB]

Originally posted by ~Caligula~
kgb
have u read the talmud?
whatever u find a neo-nazi website isn`t necessary the truth.

What if it is?

[Elfie]

Originally posted by KgB
5. Libbre David 37: "If a Jew be called upon to explain any part of the rabbinic books, he ought to give only a false explanation. Who ever will violate this order shall be put to death."

It's just we believe in what we were told to believe.Nobody questions Israel,God forbid  of being called anti-semite.

I'm guessing here, but that is probably another example of the Talmud being taken out of context. Some of our Israeli friends can probably enlighten us on the Talmud.

[~Caligula~]

the talmud records arguments on how to understand the laws of the torah (and much more). answers wouldn`t be complete without the different points from different people leading up to the conclusion. so if there`s a pass saying anything,it can be just one of the people arguing about a certain question, but it doesn`t necessary mean it`s what the talmud says the right thing to do.
at the time the talmud was written jews were living under roman occupation. roman law was that all nations under their rule have to accept the emperor as a god. jews would not accept that,revolted many times, and the romans placed very harsh rules over them. the hatred of gentiles in the talmud comes from that and it`s towards romans. i don`t see it`s being applied in today`s life.

[~Caligula~]

Originally posted by KgB
What if it is?

so u admit being a neo-nazi?

[Dowding]

Ah Caligula... the most tolerant and mis-understood dictatorial, genocidal Roman emperor.

Hail Caesar!

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by ~Caligula~
so u admit being a neo-nazi?

lols x 2.   The last desprite gambit.