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Offline Ripsnort

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« Reply #45 on: August 23, 2006, 02:14:11 PM »
I'd like to generalize at a higher level and state "Televisions sucks".  Not only the cartoons, but the reality show-craze running rampant in America.

The only cartoon I don't mind watching is Spongebob Squarepants. :)

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« Reply #46 on: August 23, 2006, 02:20:07 PM »
Reality-based TV shows are scripted!:D

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« Reply #47 on: August 23, 2006, 03:23:10 PM »
You Looney Toons fans need to do your homework.

First, Mel Blanc was good, but he wasn't all the LT voices. June Foray did a lot of the female voices, and MB _never_ did Elmer Fudd in the originals.


Television killed the Hollywood cartoon. WB was the last to dump their studio, when they followed everyone else in figuring they could make more money licensing out their portfolio than making new works.  That pretty much happened in 1960, though they sputtered along for 2 more years. Then Friz Freleng and DePatie tried to "carry the torch" for six or seven years, with much smaller budgets (and the WB orchestra replaced by a dude with an accordion).

The Hollywood cartoon was awesome, but it was also a unique collection of talent and expense. Even though Warner Brothers didn't have the production budgets of Disney, they still spent something like $50,000 US per 6-minute cartoon. That's $50,000 in 1950 dollars.
So they had access to the studio system -- the Hollywood stars they would refer to in their shorts were actors from the same studio; the music was by the studio orchestra (Carl Stalling, WB's A-team composer until 1958, was awesome), and they had some brilliant minds inspired by the new genre, and some fast ones they could blow past the censors.
When you look at a unit that did Looney Toons/Merry Melodies (Schlesinger to WB), they cranked out at most 6 one-reelers a year; and half of those were "top-shelf" productions.

You're not going to see it again. The combination isn't right.

There's good 2d animation out there, but you don't get that kinda teamwork anymore. It's just too expensive for no market.

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« Reply #48 on: August 23, 2006, 03:46:31 PM »
Thanks for the background, Dinger.

I wasn't sure of the dates. Looks like I was off by almost a decade.  I just remember watching them on Sat. morning with dad during the late 60s and, now that you mentioned it, I recall the seeing the copywrite dates in roman numerals and thinking how 1950-something was 'old'.

Glad to know my observations were in the ballpark, tho.
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« Reply #49 on: August 23, 2006, 03:48:56 PM »
My favorites growing up were :
Tom and Jerry, Looney Toons, Transformers, Thundercats, Amazing Spiderman,  Voltron, Dungeons & Dragons, and this movie called Fire and Ice, that i probably watched about 100 times.  

There are probably more, but these are the ones i remember so i guess the others weren't that great.

The Simpsons is the only new cartoon i can watch and get a kick out of.
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« Reply #50 on: August 23, 2006, 04:17:41 PM »
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they still spent something like $50,000 US per 6-minute cartoon. That's $50,000 in 1950 dollars.


Wow. I knew the animation and full package were expensive, but I had no idea they were that expensive.

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« Reply #51 on: August 23, 2006, 08:08:44 PM »
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What about the comic strip cartoons?  They're even worse...  Ever since Calvin & Hobbes stopped there really isn't much to look at...

Think of Garfield.  Take the very best Sunday strip of it ever made.  It looks like crap in comparison to an average Calvin & Hobbes Sunday strip, AND, the Garfield one is basically assembly-line junk.  Calvin & Hobbes was a one man show.


Hey. Ya ever want a good LMAO.

Pick up a copy of some of the original 1950's "Peanuts" Cartoons from the early  pre Snoopy/Joe Cool days

Artwork wasnt spectacular. But man they sure are funny, even today
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« Reply #52 on: August 23, 2006, 08:13:14 PM »
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Check out Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends and Danny Phantom....quality cartoon humor there.


Camp Lazlo is pretty funny


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« Reply #53 on: August 23, 2006, 08:21:57 PM »
Damn Turner Network is now ruining classic Hanna-Barbera cartoons :(

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14452732/

Since when did smoking become as taboo as nudity...

I hate Turner.  Turner Network's practices (S&P) prevents more decent comedy and anime from being showed on Adult Swim... late night block of Cartoon Network.
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« Reply #54 on: August 23, 2006, 08:59:47 PM »
The problem with anime is that it's currently a niche market. People don't look into it for a variety of reasons; it's not American, the people you generally first associate with anime are the con-goers (think a trekky con only anime. Crazies everywhere. Fun, but probably not appealing to adults.), it isn't advertized here unless it's for a niche section, such as Toonami (which is now utter crap) and Adult Swim on Cartoon Network.

I generally think the newer animes brought to America are crap. They're just full of shiny retards that they think would appeal to children, but most likely lower their intelligence a couple years worth. Things from ten to fifteen years ago, such as the original Gundam, Slayers, Excel Saga, Love Hina (for the girlies...or the pervs), Trigun, and Outlaw Star are great material, though maybe not always for kiddies, depending on your parenting. The issue is that nobody has ever heard of them to check them out and if they have, they've been turned away by the general eye toward anime.

The fact that hentai (porn, only animated. Sometimes very graphically.) is thrown wildly about the internet on ad banners and in spam email doesn't help the veiw on anime, either.
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« Reply #55 on: August 23, 2006, 09:05:05 PM »
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Originally posted by 1K3
Damn Turner Network is now ruining classic Hanna-Barbera cartoons :(

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14452732/

Since when did smoking become as taboo as nudity...

I hate Turner.  Turner Network's practices (S&P) prevents more decent comedy and anime from being showed on Adult Swim... late night block of Cartoon Network.


Yea I heard that too.

Damn Shame Parents dont know how to PARENT Anymore.

Need everything sanitised for them rather then just say "You cant watch that"

thats what I did/do

Seems to work quite well
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« Reply #56 on: August 23, 2006, 09:07:58 PM »
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The problem with anime is that it's currently a niche market. People don't look into it for a variety of reasons; it's not American,


Well dont forget the Anime we used to watch as kids
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« Reply #57 on: August 23, 2006, 09:25:33 PM »
Hell, I didn't even know that was anime. :D
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« Reply #58 on: August 23, 2006, 09:47:45 PM »
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Well dont forget the Anime we used to watch as kids
:)


and these:)









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« Reply #59 on: August 23, 2006, 09:49:21 PM »
DragonballZ is still modern, believe me. There are so many different series, I stopped paying attention. I think it started going the way of the shiney retards, though... :noid
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